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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2012-10-30 20:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
For the proveldtariat (or mineatariat, pick one). End High-secution!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#22 - 2012-10-30 20:40:46 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
james316 and the miner bumpers are continuing to grief people against the eula but because CCP is in the pocket of the goonswarm conspiracy they don't ban him and sue him for hurting their busines

fortunately with empty headed bumbers were blogging about bumping miners i waqs thinking about how to solve the problem

the problem: miners aren't getting the respect we deserve as the producers of all that exists in eve. we are the ship builders, the ammo makers, we are gods.

the solution: end free market

the free market allows griefiers to buy ships and equipment to grief us. i think we need to remove the eve market and only allow direct trade between two players in the same station using the trade window. this will prevent griefers from acquiring our products to use against us.



I never saw any of this in Das Kapital


Indeed, his point is flawed on a fundamental level. However, he does make a good point about the power of the peoples and how we should a radical change of the corporate hierarchy that exists.

Waddle on in.
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#23 - 2012-10-30 20:41:44 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:


I never saw any of this in Das Kapital


And did you actually read Das Kapital? :P

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-10-30 20:43:08 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Marxism states that the workers will always rise up against their masters; perhaps this could happen in New Eden?

... however usually the workers aren't completely unarmed versus monstrous warships of unparalleled destructive potential. Kings generally don't tend to have missile launchers shoved into their pockets for a quick getaway.

Good luck to you, miners. I think a Communist Corp, where only trade within the corp is allowed and there is a separate currency would be a lot of fun. In a way, the miners can destroy the free-market by not selling their products on it, and thus starving the population of ammunition, raw materials etc.



The Bourgeois would control the military, but the glorious peoples revolution would arm themselves with their rakes and hoes, their scythes, their hammers and sickles, and would fight against the capitalist with what weapons they could muster and with the passion in their hearts yearning to be free.

In EVE, this is even easier because the worker can train themselves to use the weapons of the bourgeois against the bourgeois.

Go, my mining brothers and sisters! Form yourselves into a collective and take your fleets into the goons space! Find James315, and if you can, pod him until he has zero skill points!

I will be watching from low-sec Placid, and though I wont be physically present with you, you know I will be there, in solidarity with the workers of New Eden.
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#25 - 2012-10-30 20:44:42 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Marxism states that the workers will always rise up against their masters; perhaps this could happen in New Eden?

... however usually the workers aren't completely unarmed versus monstrous warships of unparalleled destructive potential. Kings generally don't tend to have missile launchers shoved into their pockets for a quick getaway.

Good luck to you, miners. I think a Communist Corp, where only trade within the corp is allowed and there is a separate currency would be a lot of fun. In a way, the miners can destroy the free-market by not selling their products on it, and thus starving the population of ammunition, raw materials etc.



The Bourgeois would control the military, but the glorious peoples revolution would arm themselves with their rakes and hoes, their scythes, their hammers and sickles, and would fight against the capitalist with what weapons they could muster and with the passion in their hearts yearning to be free.

In EVE, this is even easier because the worker can train themselves to use the weapons of the bourgeois against the bourgeois.

Go, my mining brothers and sisters! Form yourselves into a collective and take your fleets into the goons space! Find James315, and if you can, pod him until he has zero skill points!

I will be watching from low-sec Placid, and though I wont be physically present with you, you know I will be there, in solidarity with the workers of New Eden.


This could be a different kind of great war. Similar to the one fought between goons and BOB - but between the capitalists and the workers. I see a great tale in the future - a tale where injustice will be replaced with righteousness.

Waddle on in.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-10-30 20:45:21 UTC
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.
Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2012-10-30 20:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
While going into Goonspace would be...unwise for the enraged miners, a call to arms within respective areas of unrest would be prudent. Let the miners of Gallente change their mining guns for rail guns. Let the prospectors of Caldari raise their missiles high in rage. Let the proveldtariat of Minmatar coat their ships in the rust of their enemies. Let the excavators of Amarr pray for forgiveness as they charge the capitalist dogs.

Rise up miners. Rise and take what you are entitled to. Remember the teeth and claws of the carebear.

End the Highsecution! For the Proveldtariat! For the Minertariat!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#28 - 2012-10-30 20:47:36 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.

Waddle on in.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2012-10-30 20:49:28 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


Should we support the Halaima Peoples Front or the People's Front of Halaima?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-10-30 20:49:41 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Where is James327 when you need him?


Chribba - it is very easy to post jokes in a somewhat serious thread. Do you know what it's like for the true miners? Maybe you've given up mining for a career in publicity?


the 'true miners' are not in hisec.
they are in nullsec complaining about afk cloaking.

honestly, there is no other group in eve that complains so loudly about any and every possible thing they can.
you may want to stop and think why this is. odds are because you have chosen a **** boring past time in eve and have nothing better to do that make baseless accusations against the Lord of HiSec himself.

There is no Bob.

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Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#31 - 2012-10-30 20:50:12 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


Should we support the Halaima Peoples Front or the People's Front of Halaima?


Support the workers. Do not over-complicate things - this is a war. A war between the oppressed and the oppressors.

Waddle on in.
Milton von Friedman
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-10-30 20:52:03 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:


I never saw any of this in Das Kapital


And did you actually read Das Kapital? :P


Preferred The Road to Serfdom myself.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-30 20:54:28 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


Should we support the Halaima Peoples Front or the People's Front of Halaima?


Support the workers. Do not over-complicate things - this is a war. A war between the oppressed and the oppressors.

Indeed, and hopely on the 4th of december the workers will be able to stand up and fight back against high sec oppression.
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#34 - 2012-10-30 20:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Serf of Hurlbat
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


Should we support the Halaima Peoples Front or the People's Front of Halaima?


Support the workers. Do not over-complicate things - this is a war. A war between the oppressed and the oppressors.

Indeed, and hopely on the 4th of december the workers will be able to stand up and fight back against high sec oppression.


WRONG WRONG WRONG

You are the lower-level Goonship, not the directorship in the Goons. You are the shopkeepers and small traders who will eventually be engulfed by the larger capitalist oppressors. This is your chance to escape your eventually manifestation into the bourgoise, join the proletariat's cause.

Waddle on in.
Ginger Barbarella
#35 - 2012-10-30 20:58:25 UTC
Oh, look... this thread.

Again.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2012-10-30 20:59:12 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:

WRONG WRONG WRONG

You are the lower-level Goonship, not the directorship in the Goons. You are the shopkeepers and small traders who will eventually be engulfed by the larger capitalist oppressors. This is your chance to escape your eventually manifestation into the bourgoise, join the proveldtariat's cause.


FTFY

Also I thought this was good at first. Now you're starting to just sound..drunk.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-30 20:59:17 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


It is not acceptable for the people to accept the status quo.

INDUSTRY has been centralized in high sec. This is the foundation of a communist economy; one that all of New Eden faces today. The markets, while the same, are impacted by this centralization and communist grip that high sec has on industry.

High sec industrialist can make more if they would stand up against their oppressors.

Don't be fooled by Chribba's polite, charismatic demeanor. His dictator ship will end; hopefully sooner than later, and ALL of New Eden will benefit.
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#38 - 2012-10-30 20:59:54 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Oh, look... this thread.

Again.


It's a legitimate discussion point. EVE is a game with very advanced social mechanics - it makes sense to try and understand them. A deeper social layout and hierarchy has formed in EVE, it is the goal of the communists to understand this layout and then ignite a revolution.

Waddle on in.
Serf of Hurlbat
Duckfleet
#39 - 2012-10-30 21:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Serf of Hurlbat
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Industry in new eden is already centralized and controlled by a single group, high sec.

It's already communism.


Please stop trying to discredit my compaign of bringing fairness and equallity to all of new eden through the abolishment of the communist grip on industry in high sec by supporting a compaing of introducing communism into high sec.

It will not work. I see through your veiled attempts at swaying people away from the facts.

High sec industry is communism.


The flawed logic which has lead you to this conclusion will be the down-fall of your alliance. High-sec markets and null-sec markets are the same, with different dynamics because they are in different areas with different laws.


It is not acceptable for the people to accept the status quo.

INDUSTRY has been centralized in high sec. This is the foundation of a communist economy; one that all of New Eden faces today. The markets, while the same, are impacted by this centralization and communist grip that high sec has on industry.

High sec industrialist can make more if they would stand up against their oppressors.

Don't be fooled by Chribba's polite, charismatic demeanor. His dictator ship will end; hopefully sooner than later, and ALL of New Eden will benefit.


Chribba is a face, not a body. It is only the body (the working peoples) who can stand against oppression.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

Waddle on in.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#40 - 2012-10-30 21:01:02 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Oh, look... this thread.

Again.


It's a legitimate discussion point. EVE is a game with very advanced social mechanics - it makes sense to try and understand them. A deeper social layout and hierarchy has formed in EVE, it is the goal of the communists to understand this layout and then ignite a revolution.

VFK by July?