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@CCP time to modify ice roids so they expire

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#61 - 2012-10-30 06:39:20 UTC
But its not hot in space.

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pussnheels
Viziam
#62 - 2012-10-30 07:28:01 UTC
bet the op will think different if he flew a capital or has a pos to fuel

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Takeda Kashada
Bear Bones Brigade
#63 - 2012-10-30 07:30:50 UTC
he's a multiboxer not a botter.

and totally agree, smartbombs need to be fixed to provide a more final solution rather than bumping
Peter Tjordenskiold
#64 - 2012-10-30 07:41:38 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
and so they have to respawn.. look at this lolz
http://i.imgur.com/Zz9Eh.jpg

IB4 tears.


No, we need more ice interdiction! Calling for CCP isn't a solution.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#65 - 2012-10-30 07:44:36 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Yup...scared.

So you can do it. You are just scared you might have to pay for your fun. Nothing fun is free, bucko.

Got it.

Mr Epeen Cool


So what costs do ice miners accept?

Chance of Ganking? Nope. (Or rather, insignificant.)
Requirement to be at the Computer? Nope.
Fixed cost to run? Nope.
Variable output? Nope.
Effort? Nope. (A dozen mouse clicks per hour is not effort.)

So, what do the ice miners have to pay for their fun?



Well, they have to mine ice, I suppose.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2012-10-30 07:46:51 UTC
rodyas wrote:
But its not hot in space.


depends.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-10-30 08:13:06 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
and so they have to respawn.. look at this lolz
http://i.imgur.com/Zz9Eh.jpg

IB4 tears.

All hail THE WIS!!!

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#68 - 2012-10-30 08:14:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You can have depleting ice belts and put them in grav sites in order to prevent the "rocks are dead two hours after DT syndrome" that afflicts most of hisec a select few systems very close to trade hubs.

There you go. Much better.


My favourite haunts in Genesis have been stripped clean very quickly lately. I've even been mining in hisec islands, only to find ravenous fleets of hulks stripping the belts every other week.

Go out and have a look these days, Tippia and Touval. The recent mining nerf means that there are more people out there looking for ore, so they're spreading further afield to get their stocks.

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Dave stark
#69 - 2012-10-30 08:49:01 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You can have depleting ice belts and put them in grav sites in order to prevent the "rocks are dead two hours after DT syndrome" that afflicts most of hisec a select few systems very close to trade hubs.

There you go. Much better.


My favourite haunts in Genesis have been stripped clean very quickly lately. I've even been mining in hisec islands, only to find ravenous fleets of hulks stripping the belts every other week.

Go out and have a look these days, Tippia and Touval. The recent mining nerf means that there are more people out there looking for ore, so they're spreading further afield to get their stocks.


i'm a couple of jumps out from jita and the belts are fairly quiet. pick a better system.
Corvus Idolon
Idolon Industries
#70 - 2012-10-30 09:36:47 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
You can have depleting ice belts and put them in grav sites in order to prevent the "rocks are dead two hours after DT syndrome" that afflicts most of hisec a select few systems very close to trade hubs.

There you go. Much better.


My favourite haunts in Genesis have been stripped clean very quickly lately. I've even been mining in hisec islands, only to find ravenous fleets of hulks stripping the belts every other week.

Go out and have a look these days, Tippia and Touval. The recent mining nerf means that there are more people out there looking for ore, so they're spreading further afield to get their stocks.


i'm a couple of jumps out from jita and the belts are fairly quiet. pick a better system.


I'm only 2 jumps from Amarr one or two more jumps and there's no else around and I have all the belts to my self.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#71 - 2012-10-30 09:47:14 UTC


Ice Fields in High Sec Deplete.

Put non depleting Ice Fields in Low Sec (not Null though, I think you'd just get botting activity in Null instead).

Solved

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-10-30 09:50:41 UTC
Thread moved from GD to F&I - ISD Type40.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#73 - 2012-10-30 10:08:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
rodyas wrote:
But its not hot in space.


depends.


Well take your handsome mug out of the picture. Its freezing up there. We should just mine ice off our windshields.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#74 - 2012-10-30 10:09:22 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Thread moved from GD to F&I - ISD Type40.


ISD, Are you guys capable of moderating a ice field so hard, it would finally deplete its ice?

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Chaotic Mind
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-10-30 10:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Chaotic Mind
change NPC Corp bonuses to:

  • 50% Income Tax
  • -75% Mining Yield Penalty on Ore Mining Modules
  • +75% Mining Duration Penalty on Ice Mining Modules


Eve was always about risk vs reward, NPC corps have it too easy atm
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#76 - 2012-10-30 11:34:45 UTC
Depleting ice fields, and move them to only null/lowsec/wormholes (as anoms?)

It's utterly absurd that they're all over high sec and are absolutely infinite.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#77 - 2012-10-30 13:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Mr Epeen wrote:
I agree that nothing should be immune to disruption. And nothing is.

Ice mining is, however, now immune to risk averse gankers popping Exhumers at next to no cost to themselves.

And I'm fine with that. It keeps the forum lively, don't you think?

Mr Epeen Cool


First: What other significant form of disruption do ice miners face?

Second: The only exhumers that could ever be profitably ganked were the untanked (or shittanked) exhumers. What is the point in having fitting slots for tank on an exhumer when the base ship hull has enough EHP to keep you safe even after you fit expensive modules on it? Any untanked HAC can be profitably ganked for its guns. In fact, most untanked, fitted Cruisers can be profitably ganked for their guns. Why should fitted Exhumers be safe from profitable ganks without fitting a tank?

Once more for clarity.
Pre Buff:
Unfitted Exhumer -> Not profitable to gank
Tanked Exhumer -> Not profitably to gank
Fitted, Untanked Exhumer -> Profitable to gank
Badly Tanked Exhumer -> Profitable to gank only in certain, uncommon circumstances.

Why are you saying that the last two cases shouldn't be profitable to gank?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dave stark
#78 - 2012-10-30 17:16:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Dave stark wrote:
you just implied ice mining was fun. that's your first mistake.


Why would people play a game to do something they didn't enjoy?


you miss the key benefit of mining. the fact you can do it, afk, low risk, etc, is for those players who use it to fund fun times.
want to read a book or watch a film? why not earn isk while you do it so when you're done having your out of eve fun, you can use the isk to have some in eve fun.

that's why i mine, i can tab out and browse forums, read books, watch tv, etc while mining.

all games have a portion of it that isn't fun, but you have to do it. in eve, generally speaking, making isk is dull but you gotta do it to fund more interesting ventures. don't get me wrong, i don't think mining is bad enough to open a vein for, but it's hardly the most stimulating activity.


The implication of your post was that the risk-and-effort-free profit was balanced by the lack of it being fun.

Risk and Effort free profit can't be balanced by dullness. Effort free profit is fine, so long as it's risky. Risk free profit is fine, as long as it's high effort (mining in a noobship is risk free, but effort intensive). Why should miners have both?


it is.

if it's dull and boring, then people won't do it no matter how much profit is in it, because as you said. why would people do something that isn't fun? they wouldn't. hence, people don't "do" mining. they mine while doing other things. personally i'm also glad it's so risk free and afkable due to it's **** poor isk/hour ratio.