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Dev blog: Introducing Open Buddy Invites

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#21 - 2012-10-29 15:47:12 UTC
I find the image of an evil unicorn shooting peaceful unicorns rather..... disturbing.

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Ryan Farmern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-10-29 15:47:19 UTC
I do not agree with this at all.

Plex for Plex should be an option.

I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.

I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.

CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back.
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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#23 - 2012-10-29 15:50:54 UTC
Ryan Farmern wrote:
I do not agree with this at all.

Plex for Plex should be an option.

I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.

I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.

CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back.


No more /free/ alts.

Otherwise, well, you're paying for them anyway. You just get 'free' time on your main account (on the last alt account, depending on how you deal with them)

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#24 - 2012-10-29 15:51:37 UTC
Arydanika wrote:
This is and interesting change. I don't really feel it's good or bad, just a different way of doing things. I can see how this can be good for players who just want to put an advertisement up and get people in to the game. The free game time will be good for them. The removal of PLEX-for-PLEX is understandable with this a single unlimited link (and also if CCP wanted to nerf 51 day accounts Sad) , but I'm not sure if it's the best course of action for all.

I say that because I have a fan site. Having a image link where people who are interested in Eve and want to try it is great. I don't have to worry about individual links and can just set it up and not worry about maintenance and other annoying crap. The flip side is, as a fan site I have no need for free monthly game time for the account that link will be linked to. That's already one of the benefits for being a fan site. The Plex was a great option for fan sites because they can used as prizes for events and contests I hold. While there is certainly a benefit for CCP and new players, the benefits for my listeners and I have been removed.

In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site. That was one of the great things about PLEX-for-PLEX (and the 51day alts).

I hope the community team will takes the time to revisit this change and provide other benefits for fan sites.


While I agree that the fansites could use some more love in this regard, what about the affiliate program? Would it work for you the way it is currently set up?

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Draven Da'Sshae
Project Singularity.
#25 - 2012-10-29 16:06:25 UTC
While the buddy system has needed more of a community theme (beyond the limit of your personal friends), I disagree with removing the PLEX-for-PLEX option. It's obvious that this is only being done so CCP can make more money off PLEXes.
Arydanika
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#26 - 2012-10-29 16:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arydanika
CCP Spitfire wrote:

While I agree that the fansites could use some more love in this regard, what about the affiliate program? Would it work for you the way it is currently set up?


I think there might have been some crossing posting. I did not see that post until after I posted my original statement. I did amended it to say I'll be referring further judgement until I had time to read over all of that glorious text. I missed the Affiliate link at the bottom of that page also. Maybe something a little more attention grabbing in the main text for us Blindy McBatsighted people?

Also:
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! PONIES! *squeak*

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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-10-29 16:20:18 UTC
when is this change taking place?

I has all the eve inactivity

Arydanika
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#28 - 2012-10-29 16:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Arydanika
And now that I have read the Affiliate Program information I have more things to post.

First, this looks absolutely great. The payouts are incredibly generous and the commissions are way more than what most Time Code Affiliate Program's pay out. The brackets seem a little unreasonable when coming from the perspective of small website sites, but it's a 100% payout with a starting payout of 50% which is just stupid to argue over for reasons already mentioned.

Secondly, please consider a non-cash option. For US residents the site owners would have to put in W2s and pay taxes on our revenues. Cash affiliate programs can also get us in to copy right trouble depending on how their fan site is setup; if we use Creative Commons material, music rights etc. The legal ramifications cash incentives produce may cause some fan sites to not to participate in the program. A non-cash payment option would be nice and it allows CCP to keep those revenues so we can have more iteration, ships and other cool non-jesus features.

Third, please make the Affliate link a little more visable on that page. I hope CCP will link it on the Fan Site pages of the Community and Evelopedia sites.

Lastly, with the above comments in mind, CCP did well by adding PayPal as a payment provided. PayPal does create tax forms for those in the US and it such an easy handling method when it comes to things like this.

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Anabaric
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#29 - 2012-10-29 16:33:07 UTC
Arydanika wrote:
In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site.


This is the obvious idea for fansites, and exactly what I will do with mine, that way the benefits can still be shared.
Previously I've always split the isk of a buddy reward with the new buddy.

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Ryan Farmern
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-10-29 16:34:46 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ryan Farmern wrote:
I do not agree with this at all.

Plex for Plex should be an option.

I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.

I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.

CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back.


No more /free/ alts.

Otherwise, well, you're paying for them anyway. You just get 'free' time on your main account (on the last alt account, depending on how you deal with them)


No I've since then paid for these alts for almost a year now. But this doesn't encourage people to get any more alts. I thought the point of Eve was to make alts.

No matter if I get my 81 days of free play, CCP still get's more money for more alts.

They keep messing with the buddy system. They take PayPal out and back in. Now they take Plex for Plex away? I don't see the point unless the 81 day alts are just such a problem. Wait... How are more accounts a problem for CCP?

This is the worst thing I've seen for a game company. It does not help players, it takes stuff away from us.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#31 - 2012-10-29 16:35:41 UTC
The specific rewards are not shown at all clearly on the invite page. Can you please update this to show the specific rewards that are available, or tell me in this thread which rewards are available. Thankyou.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#32 - 2012-10-29 16:36:44 UTC
Ryan Farmern wrote:
Blah blah blah


Your exponential alt proliferation is causing exponential PLEX price increase.
Arydanika
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#33 - 2012-10-29 16:49:12 UTC
Anabaric wrote:
Arydanika wrote:
In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site.


This is the obvious idea for fansites, and exactly what I will do with mine, that way the benefits can still be shared.
Previously I've always split the isk of a buddy reward with the new buddy.

The only thing is, as I said in the full context of my post, my alts game time is already taken care of so it really doesn't benefit me that way either. Unless i make another alt for the sake some where to put game time. That seems kind of... excessive, extravagant, I'm not sure what the right word is. Maybe silly? I don't need that many alts. I hardly have time for the ones I have.

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Anabaric
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#34 - 2012-10-29 16:54:51 UTC
Current rewards are basically a 30 day game extension applied directly to your account Pirate
Or a Plex - but you can only have a Plex if your buddy pays with real isk,


You can't put a plex into the buddy system and get a plex out.

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Arydanika
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#35 - 2012-10-29 17:03:51 UTC
I had a potential idea for non-cash commissions for the Affiliate Programs. I would really prefer a non-cash option, but recognize I’m probably in the great minority. I hope it’s something CCP will consider.

Credits:
Instead of taking cash payments for the subs, allow players to have credit with Eve Online. Allow the credit to be used through the Eve Online Store to purchase PLEX and other goods. Affiliates can then use those goods as promotional items or personal use.

The PLEX portion of this suggestion maybe iffy. CCP would need to make it very clear abuse will not be tolerated and may result in dismissal from the program. There’s also the option to exclude PLEX all together. The point of the suggestion is really just to have a choice of how you accept the commission.

Credits can also be used to allow Affiliate Program promotions on Eve Online subscriptions. For instance, evetimecode.com gives Lost in Eve podcast listeners a discount code & listeners are able to get 10% off their PLEX purchases. I’d love to offer something like this on my site to benefit current users and new users a like.

Implantation of this would most likely be a huge challenge. There are probably background components I’m not aware of when it comes to CCP doing these things, but it’s an idea to get the ball rolling. Hopefully this will be able to create some ideas on non-cash benefits for the program.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#36 - 2012-10-29 17:09:48 UTC
Good job CCP :)

Now we can broadcast invitations with ease !

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Ingkala
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-10-29 17:17:02 UTC
Ponies.

This is the best dev blog ever.
Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-29 17:25:14 UTC
So if we made a 21-day account an hour before this dev blog was made, then tried to upgrade it half an hour before it was made with PLEX only for it to say "Service not available at the moment", and we eventually upgrade it 10 minutes after then dev blog, can we still receive the PLEX ?
Lord Gragert
Mercury Metal Mining
#39 - 2012-10-29 17:29:16 UTC
Can I have a higher rez copy of Princess Celestia having Ponyville bombed from orbit?
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C C P
C C P Alliance
#40 - 2012-10-29 17:34:44 UTC
Arydanika wrote:
And now that I have read the Affiliate Program information I have more things to post.

First, this looks absolutely great. The payouts are incredibly generous and the commissions are way more than what most Time Code Affiliate Program's pay out. The brackets seem a little unreasonable when coming from the perspective of small website sites, but it's a 100% payout with a starting payout of 50% which is just stupid to argue over for reasons already mentioned.

Secondly, please consider a non-cash option. For US residents the site owners would have to put in W2s and pay taxes on our revenues. Cash affiliate programs can also get us in to copy right trouble depending on how their fan site is setup; if we use Creative Commons material, music rights etc. The legal ramifications cash incentives produce may cause some fan sites to not to participate in the program. A non-cash payment option would be nice and it allows CCP to keep those revenues so we can have more iteration, ships and other cool non-jesus features.

Third, please make the Affliate link a little more visable on that page. I hope CCP will link it on the Fan Site pages of the Community and Evelopedia sites.

Lastly, with the above comments in mind, CCP did well by adding PayPal as a payment provided. PayPal does create tax forms for those in the US and it such an easy handling method when it comes to things like this.


Point taken. Smile I'm hoping to make some changes to the affiliate program in the not-so-distant future, so please send the feedback my way -- it's most appreciated! (you can use the affiliate program email for that: affiliate AT ccpgames.com).

And now I'll stop derailing the thread. Lol

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