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EVE reflect the true nature of humanity.

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Euvarius Abraxas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-10-29 12:59:50 UTC
What's sad is that you are looking for "truth" in a video game. If you want to find "truth," I would recommend looking up from your monitor and going out into the world. These are shadows, and "truth" is relative to experience.

"And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision, -what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, -- will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?" - The Allegory of the Cave, Plato
Azumi Zimu
#22 - 2012-10-29 13:00:11 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Maybe it's just the people I fly with


It is

Kindness and empathy are complex survival mechanisms and as soon as you think you're doing something selfless you're now doing it for yourself, you sanctimonious boob.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#23 - 2012-10-29 13:05:33 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Maybe it's just the people I fly with


It is

Kindness and empathy are complex survival mechanisms and as soon as you think you're doing something selfless you're now doing it for yourself, you sanctimonious boob.



While I am in favour of boobs in general I do not approve of you sullying boob's good name by using it as a lame insult.

Also I'm well aware of evolutionary psychology in general and that there is truly no such thing as a selfless act. However if I constantly believed that I would throw myself off a bridge.

(By the way, interpretation of reality is a survival trait too).

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Azumi Zimu
#24 - 2012-10-29 13:08:17 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

While I am in favour of boobs in general I do not approve of you sullying boob's good name by using it as a lame insult.

Also I'm well aware of evolutionary psychology in general and that there is truly no such thing as a selfless act. However if I constantly believed that I would throw myself off a bridge.

(By the way, interpretation of reality is a survival trait too).


I wasn't calling you a boob, I was calling the hypothetical "you" a boob as soon as he thought he was doing something selfless.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#25 - 2012-10-29 13:14:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Is this an excerpt from Mein Kampf?

Any race you want to single out?

Are you saying it's just a copy and paste effort?

That's really sad. And a weak troll.

No, I am saying there have been "like minded" people throughout history, and they have been regarded as monsters.

And monsters are why people have banded together throughout history.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#26 - 2012-10-29 13:16:14 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:


I wasn't calling you a boob, I was calling the hypothetical "you" a boob as soon as he thought he was doing something selfless.



All boobs are important, even hypothetical boobs!

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-10-29 13:22:33 UTC
What exactly is the point of the OP.
The thread titles made it seem like a possible reflection of whether or not peoples behavior in EVE has any bearing on how they would act in the real world, from a grop standpoint.

All I read was some emogoth ranting about wanting everything to be dark, and suffering. I kept seeing images of the little emogoth kids from south park. I kept expecing the post to devlove into a bunch of ranting about vamps and how they aren't goth.

Buck Badger
Aliastra
#28 - 2012-10-29 13:24:46 UTC
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself?


If EvE were enjoyed by a majority of humanity I would agree that it does. However, EvE only appeals to a small niche group of humanity. Many people only like to dabble here for a month or so, never to return.

Given the large number of people who don't play EvE, is it more likely that humanity dislikes such conflict? And that EvE merely represents those dark desires that, even when given the chance to live out those desires in a consequence free environment such as EvE, most humans lack?

"Trust no one.  As soon as God crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them."  Hunter Gathers

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-10-29 13:49:28 UTC
People behave the way they do in EVE because they are behind a computer screen and have anonymity. I tend to treat people in EVE the same way I would in reality. For the most part I consider myself a pretty decent guy. I guarantee you though, you come up against most people that play EVE in reality and they are completely different people. Guys who think they are cool are in fact dorks, those who think they are smart are morons and so on...

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-10-29 13:52:01 UTC
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.


Read the headline and call out BS!

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP

Signal11th
#31 - 2012-10-29 14:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.

Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?

As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.

Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.

Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.

I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.

The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.

Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.



It's called Swindon

Also if you really want to see egits worse than you find on EVE go play WOT for a bit.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-29 14:14:46 UTC
Yes, it does in a lot of ways.
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#33 - 2012-10-29 14:56:05 UTC
I think Eve is a game where a lot of people come to live out their power fantasies. Like most video games actually. The big difference between Eve and a lot of games is that it promotes conflict between players more than encouraging them to unite against the other in the form of NPCs. I think there is probably an argument that some kind of opinion can be formed about people based on how they treat others in a game but I won't say how much; I don't know that.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#34 - 2012-10-29 15:05:49 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:



While I am in favour of boobs in general



Agreed. General would be a much better place with more bewbs.

Reptail
#35 - 2012-10-29 15:08:04 UTC
Yes, You Act In Eve As You Act In Real Life.

Ground Shiwer

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#36 - 2012-10-29 15:08:18 UTC
It's not an environment where we have much choice. Like locking a bunch of people in a room full of knives, you can bet they'll get stabby pretty fast.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

J Kunjeh
#37 - 2012-10-29 15:13:27 UTC
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.


It does map well to our current reality in the modern world, and its current trajectory. Specifically, this is humanity under capitalism as an overarching system to live under (I love capitalism, but not as the center of our world systems).

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Azumi Zimu
#38 - 2012-10-29 15:22:12 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.


It does map well to our current reality in the modern world, and its current trajectory. Specifically, this is humanity under capitalism as an overarching system to live under (I love capitalism, but not as the center of our world systems).


It would be hard to remove it from the center considering it's an expression of human nature. It's not something like Lolmunism which you have to force onto people.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#39 - 2012-10-29 15:28:55 UTC
Eve Lunaris wrote:
as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities.
It'd be interesting events unfolding in-game if that were true of all as you say, but simple isn't true.

—Ω—

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#40 - 2012-10-29 15:30:40 UTC
Eve Lunaris wrote:
The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.


Strong, weak, smart, dumb, are all just subjective labels. Dumb people often think other people are dumb, for example. And with technology there is no real 'strong' anymore. A toddler with a gun can kill a 6'5 body builder.

What you have is people simply being greedy and nasty, and trying to justify it with darwinian thinking, but ever since we left the wild old darwin has lost his grasp on us.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi