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Video blog: In Development: New destroyers and ship balancing

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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#81 - 2012-10-26 20:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
I just couldn't make it out, so I will stick with Liliputian. Too funny.

(CCP Guard, for being the "butt" of the humor in these vids, I have to give you kudos!)


The D1ngo wrote:
Hello CCP Guard,

Please forgive me, but at first glance I thought your name tag read as "Liliputian".

I felt guilty, so I felt I should write this post to cleanse myself. Cool
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#82 - 2012-10-26 20:43:24 UTC
i am of the humble opinion that the t1 cruiser re-balance is going to be quite nice this winter, and am very much looking forward to it. thanks, ccp!

...now what i'm *really* looking forward to is when all the t1's are done and they move on to the faction ship balancing! wasnt going to mention, t2, lol, but that'll be a while...

\o/

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!

SunTsu Rae
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-10-27 09:46:47 UTC
I'm sort of lost as to what the suicidal gimp at the end had to do with anything . . . . QuestionUgh

Looking forward to the Gallente Destroyer , ( 8.9M SP in drones )

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#84 - 2012-10-27 14:26:38 UTC
Nice finish on the Destroyers. Surprisingly, I like the Minmatar Destroyer better now than initially, and I'm not as impressed by the Gallente Destroyers as I thought I'd be. Still, it looks good, as they all do.

Roles and abilities all sound good and they should be new and interesting, along with everything else.

I must admit, the rest of the video content was 'interesting'. What?Lol
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Iyacia Cyric'ai
Lai Dai Counterintelligence
#85 - 2012-10-28 03:19:08 UTC
I think the new Caldari and Gallante destroyers rank among the best looking ships in the entire game. I suspect as with all minmatar ships I will learn to love the design after some time but it'll be an acquired taste. The Amarr destroyer does actually look decent, and it's not unprecedented for Amarr destoyers to look similar or even near identical to other Amarr ships (in this case the Coercer), but I do agree that the last 3 of the concept art design looked better, but I do see that they may have been trying hard to avoid it looking like a bulky executioner.

As for role, I don't know why people think the Amarr Destroyer will be underpowered. Energy Neuts are absolutely devastating to frigates. Even if the frigate doesn't use cap to fire their weapons, it'll turn of the prop mod/tackle and everyone knows what happens to frigates that lose range/speed control. With a tracking disruptor or sensor damp, it'll basically be a mini Curse, albeit limited to gangwork since it'll lack a point if it fits a midslot ewar mod.

Caldari/Minmatar will be great as well for gang work, with solo work probably best done in the minnie ship (since I hear the Caldari one will be slower but tankier). The only concern I have is the Gallante destroyer. Short range and slow isn't that good on big ships, so it'll be even worse on a smaller hull. That said maybe the 3 midslots will allow a reasonably speedy shield/gank fit, or an armor version with the ability to fit TD for big targets and web against frigates (something the catalyst can't do).

Eitherway I'm loving all these changes. CCP has certainly picked up their act since Incarna.
Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-10-28 03:38:38 UTC
CCP Guard is the only reason why i watch Your videos :)

BTW why are you balancing those t1 destroyers and cruisers? Who cares - T2 ships are better anyway.

Why would i buy caldarian or minmatar destroyer when i have the Vengeance in my dock? Because of their look?.. Well, yes i will Big smile But there has to be a better reason for it...

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Outsourced Manufacturing
#87 - 2012-10-28 07:49:54 UTC
Can't wait for the next dev video to find out what happens to CCP Guard, and CCP Squirrel, btw I'm still waiting for a new single from Permaband

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Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#88 - 2012-10-28 08:12:38 UTC
I enjoyed watching the video! Big smile

I still think that WiS (or exploring abandoned ones) should be developed rather than yet more spaceships.

Spaceships are subject to the law of diminishing returns.
Ameno Furi
A LEAP IN THE DARK...
#89 - 2012-10-28 08:44:16 UTC
heya and sorry for whats coming next....but the first thought i had as i looked at the armarr destroyer was "oh they made a flying snickers"... Shocked

honestly when i look at the caldari or the gallente destroyer i realy love the look of them...but for the armarr one...yes the look is armarr like but i was hoping to see something unique in the way it would like like its on the others which i realy like.

whats everyone else thinking about the new looks of the destroyers Question
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#90 - 2012-10-28 10:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Komodo Askold
Ameno Furi wrote:
heya and sorry for whats coming next....but the first thought i had as i looked at the armarr destroyer was "oh they made a flying snickers"... Shocked

honestly when i look at the caldari or the gallente destroyer i realy love the look of them...but for the armarr one...yes the look is armarr like but i was hoping to see something unique in the way it would like like its on the others which i realy like.

whats everyone else thinking about the new looks of the destroyers Question
Personally I like them all. Caldari and Gallente ones have some kind of... tought looking, and I like their lines. Minmatar one looks a bit menacing with that frontal panels, and I love its bridge ^^ The Amarr one... I think I'd prefer one of the concept art ones (the 4-winged last ones where great), but the final model looks nice, even though it's similar to the Coercer (however I think a larger body makes sense for a ship that carries drones).
Aineko Macx
#91 - 2012-10-29 11:30:26 UTC
IMO the last concept drawings of the new amarr destroyer shown in the video are much more interesting than what was chosen in the end.

However, I do approve of CCP Fozzies eyelashes Blink
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-10-29 14:52:00 UTC
Why do the new destroyers look so terrible?

Also, I agree with the guy above. The amarr destroyer looked awesome in the concept stage but somehow we've ended up with what looks like a coffin.
Drenan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-10-30 12:27:23 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Why do the new destroyers look so terrible?

Also, I agree with the guy above. The amarr destroyer looked awesome in the concept stage but somehow we've ended up with what looks like a coffin.



I think it has something to do with being designed by Icelandic folk? They seem to have an aesthetic sensibility that can most politely be described as 'unique'. Roll








James Bullseye
Szent Korona Klub
#94 - 2012-11-03 09:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: James Bullseye
CCP Guard wrote:
The latest episode in the In Development series reveals even more of the Retribution Expansion coming on December 4. It also reveals some other things but you'll find that out for yourselves by going right here.

Enjoy!



Please get a chair.Big smilePCool
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-11-05 13:51:52 UTC
Lost True wrote:
*snip*

BTW why are you balancing those t1 destroyers and cruisers? Who cares - T2 ships are better anyway.

Why would i buy caldarian or minmatar destroyer when i have the Vengeance in my dock? Because of their look?.. Well, yes i will Big smile But there has to be a better reason for it...
At least two reasons off of t he cuff:

1) Younger characters need to fly something into which they can progress fairly quickly upon signing up for this fee-based MMO. Gotta keep the new customers excited and interested seeing as the breadth and depth of F2P title competition is significant.

2) If you haven't noticed, major PvP-oriented groups use destroyer Thrasher gangs extensively. These ships are easy to get into from a training standpoint and provide excellent value for their cost. More variety in the destroyer class is a good thing, perhaps allowing pilots to fill niche roles in fleets.


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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#96 - 2012-11-05 16:47:53 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Lost True wrote:
*snip*

BTW why are you balancing those t1 destroyers and cruisers? Who cares - T2 ships are better anyway.

Why would i buy caldarian or minmatar destroyer when i have the Vengeance in my dock? Because of their look?.. Well, yes i will Big smile But there has to be a better reason for it...
At least two reasons off of t he cuff:

1) Younger characters need to fly something into which they can progress fairly quickly upon signing up for this fee-based MMO. Gotta keep the new customers excited and interested seeing as the breadth and depth of F2P title competition is significant.

2) If you haven't noticed, major PvP-oriented groups use destroyer Thrasher gangs extensively. These ships are easy to get into from a training standpoint and provide excellent value for their cost. More variety in the destroyer class is a good thing, perhaps allowing pilots to fill niche roles in fleets.


Unless you haven't noticed, EvE is a little more than flying around and shooting each other in the face kind of PvP.

Some prefer to be a bit more evil than than such simple trick >:)

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-11-05 17:34:22 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Lost True wrote:
*snip*

BTW why are you balancing those t1 destroyers and cruisers? Who cares - T2 ships are better anyway.

Why would i buy caldarian or minmatar destroyer when i have the Vengeance in my dock? Because of their look?.. Well, yes i will Big smile But there has to be a better reason for it...
At least two reasons off of t he cuff:

1) Younger characters need to fly something into which they can progress fairly quickly upon signing up for this fee-based MMO. Gotta keep the new customers excited and interested seeing as the breadth and depth of F2P title competition is significant.

2) If you haven't noticed, major PvP-oriented groups use destroyer Thrasher gangs extensively. These ships are easy to get into from a training standpoint and provide excellent value for their cost. More variety in the destroyer class is a good thing, perhaps allowing pilots to fill niche roles in fleets.


Unless you haven't noticed, EvE is a little more than flying around and shooting each other in the face kind of PvP.

Some prefer to be a bit more evil than than such simple trick >:)
Well, I have to agree with you there regarding the wide variety of activities available to a capsuleer in EVE.

But that doesn't mean that people can't enjoy fun in their destroyers. And now there are more of them with which to form up fleets or pursue solo work.

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Knight4light
Knights Dimensional Empire
#98 - 2012-11-06 05:51:56 UTC
I cant wait for the new destroyers. They all look very sexy and sweet. I wonder though. When will they add destroyer faction ships. Shoot we need more faction ships in general!

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Zerouser
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-11-07 14:13:55 UTC
This might have already been mentioned, but those looked like auto-cannons on the Gallente ship. And that about sums it up when your weapons suck so so bad even Devs getto fit a ship. Why don't you just give the ship a bonus for projectile weapons.
And while you at it throw some lasers on the minmatar ship.
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
#100 - 2012-11-08 01:59:36 UTC
Soooo... Who do I have to bribe in order to get these new shinies onto SiSi ASAP?! We're less than a month away from expansion! Testing these is greatly anticipated!!! Cool

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