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The 0.001 game
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Xerra Nova
Eternal Fly New Vision
#1 - 2012-10-26 21:47:44 UTC
Hi all,
Recently returned to EVE and decided to get into manufacturing. I have a fully skilled character and have identified items that will make a profit (mostly). However, I have a question to all other manufacturers. I've noticed that sure enough there is competition between buy orders (the 0.001 game) which I can understand however, when it comes to selling my items I find the same competition. How do other manufacturers deal with this given you can't be online all the time?
Thanks
Xerra
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#2 - 2012-10-26 21:52:10 UTC
Avoid those markets.

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Teyr Malleis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-26 22:24:16 UTC
To expand on the point from Val'dore:
As a manufacturer you will normally want to avoid those markets that are saturated with station traders, instead you may need to be patient and sell your goods else where in places that might see lower trade but where you don't need to update your orders all the time.
To pick the right place you may need to do some research, for example typical mission running type goods -sell them in mission systems, or pvp goods in low sec gateways etc
I do these and use my station trader alt to play my own 2 cent games
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#4 - 2012-10-26 22:41:33 UTC
For difrent items there are diferent tactics, for example, if your selling an item that is a well known mineral compression item, just put a 5-20% markup from manufacture cost, the whole stack and just log.

but you have to be smart about it, sometimes minerals dip sometimes the price surges and sometimes the price surges for prolonged periods/dips for prolonged periods, you should be on the ball when it comes to indy, else you gonna have problems.

Use your head, be involved SPEND TIME making ISK, else you wont.

Another tip:
theres a mailing list, wholesale something, I forget, maybe the next few posters will post exact details.
Cyrus Ildemar
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-27 03:42:17 UTC
If the item you are producing has enough profit margin you can also look into having someone do the selling for you. This frees up your time to focus on the manufacturing, and the trader is probably playing the .01 ISK games on their own items anyway.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#6 - 2012-10-27 06:43:05 UTC
If you have a free slot, make a dedicated market alt and transfer the goods to him. Even with brokering 3, accounting 3 and 0 standings, it is a quite good profit compared to selling to buy orders. Log in once or twice a day or as often as you like and update the orders.

The more you 0.01 isk anyone, the bigger chance he will stay at the computer to pvp your order. If you only update once or twice a day, most of the time it stays for 4-6h+ and sells a few of them. Takes time but... worth it.

On really popular goods... you are most often either finding a different market for them or just selling to buy orders, if you don't want to play the 24/7 0.01 isk game.
Pillan
TC Corbina
#7 - 2012-10-27 10:49:56 UTC
it depends on the playstyle. my indy likes to haul - sell and while hauling to make new stuff i resort the orders remotely. It give me time to forget all that stupid waiting until the freighter jumps
Suni Khan
#8 - 2012-10-27 12:42:40 UTC
Bulk Trade mailing list is your friend.

Set up a WTS mail with the price of the items inbetween buy and sell orders and someone is bound to buy it for him to resell.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-27 21:56:14 UTC
Throw it all up and undercut once or twice a day, if the market youre selling on is stable your stuff will be sold within a week.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-29 00:19:21 UTC
Teyr Malleis wrote:
To expand on the point from Val'dore:
As a manufacturer you will normally want to avoid those markets that are saturated with station traders, instead you may need to be patient and sell your goods else where in places that might see lower trade but where you don't need to update your orders all the time.
To pick the right place you may need to do some research, for example typical mission running type goods -sell them in mission systems, or pvp goods in low sec gateways etc
I do these and use my station trader alt to play my own 2 cent games



This, and also: usually markets close to low/null sec are better to make decent profits but pay attention moving those goods.

brb
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2012-10-31 19:33:25 UTC
You build for a trade corp and let them handle the sells.

Keep your focus on manufacturing.

To many people try to do every aspect all by themselves.
You will see more profits when you have each person or each group focus in one area.

This is the very reason corporation contracts exist.
Dave Stark
#12 - 2012-10-31 19:45:30 UTC
Kara Books wrote:

Another tip:
theres a mailing list, wholesale something, I forget, maybe the next few posters will post exact details.


Bulk Trade ?
Skorpynekomimi
#13 - 2012-11-01 00:42:50 UTC
Personally, I just peg the order close to the price, and let it sit for a while. When the price drops dramatically, either adjust or wait for the bounce back up.
People playing the 0.01ISK game are just trying to push your profits down to muscle you out. Don't bend, don't budge, stay in profit.

However, assured markets are the best. Skip the open market, and sell at a discount to the consumer directly through contracts. If there's a big pvp corp around your area, see if you can open up a supply of discounted ammo/hulls/modules for them, so they don't have to run so many indy alts, or blow so much isk on it.

Also, if you NEED to 0.01 it, you're probably in a slow market. Diversify.

Economic PVP
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-11-01 01:01:13 UTC
Don't trade in high activity stations/systems/regions.

I sell items over several easily accessible regions 10-20 jumps from Jita. I sell items ranging from Jita sell price upwards to 25% higher. Yes I don't have nearly as much volume going out but I have higher profits per item, less hassle watching item prices and almost never have to deal with .01 isk games. I also don't care to play station games, spend 10 hours a day dealing with market screens etc.

For example. I have 1 item that has dropped to about 270M isk in Jita. On weekends it jumps to about 290M. I have 6 of these items listed atm for 295M. Over the last 5 days I've sold 4 of them which was an additional profit of 60M. on top of my profit from manufacturing costs. Sure I could have sold these 5 items in Jita in a day for a lower price if I sat in station refreshing the item listing, used 2 accounts to under cut bots/other players and generally hate life, but I would rather spend my time doing "fun" stuff then doing market pvp.