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Zhade Lezte
#21 - 2012-10-27 23:51:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Also I'd be wary of pushing people to Kugutsumen. Maybe a couple of years ago, but now it's just a bunch of smug assholes trying to out "one liner" the next guy. It's basically what somethingawful would be if the mods didn't ban people to keep that dumb bullshit under control.

They don't have mods to stop dumb bullshit by banning people?

It sounds like a horrible and barbaric existence.


Well if you're a regular of eve-o general discussion it's still an increase of posting quality.

And holy hell Kugutsumen isn't censored here anymore?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#22 - 2012-10-27 23:58:04 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
[Unfortunately, NOT joining CTA's can be the "death knell" for alliances.


Of course. Just saying a good way to make less people do them is to be a **** about it.

At least that's been my experience. I have the weirdest luck with joining corps and alliances that are already crumbling.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2012-10-28 00:02:33 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
join a pvp alliance. ask questions about what they require and look for. eventually earn those reqs and join them. if you just want to hop in a sweet alliance with no pvp experience, it wont ever happen. you can't be super good if you got tons of pilots with little to no experience.

Well, actually ... this one time a Band of Rifters ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
J Kunjeh
#24 - 2012-10-28 00:30:23 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
The large corporations fight all the time.
The community is friendly to new players that are willing to learn from their mistakes and listen.
The easiest way to get into a null sec corp is probably just to do loads of PvP. Just attack ships you stand no chance of winning against until someone invites you into a corp. It might be an idea to join a training corp first to learn some PvP basics first though.

I think that's his point.

Training alliance. Too long.
Large alliance. Too long.

I think he just wants to join an alliance - without the BS - so he can "attack ships"


Well, in that case: RvB (Red vs. Blue) is the ticket.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
J Kunjeh
#25 - 2012-10-28 00:32:02 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Iam a Spy2 wrote:
Sound more like "please join goons we need more meat shields".


I'm sorry, you're not getting in right now. Maybe next month when we have some open positions I'll sponsor you in for a reasonable security deposit.


If you fall for this scam, you're an idiot.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#26 - 2012-10-28 01:05:16 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.

...can I get into some large scale pvp without having to wait 1/4 of a year??

- I know about Eve University but it takes them too long to let you in. Are there any other large scale noob corps out ? I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.

- On average how is this community towards new players?

ty.

Doobay.


Yes, they fight all the time. Not every day is a no hold barred supercarriers and titans on the grid fight (that's usually on the weekend or for some special op), but there's always fighting and sov grinding going on. Always. Absolutely no one is scared to lose ships in null (except the care-bears, who usually don't last long). Everyone in null has lost billions of isk worth of ships, and more billions worth of implants. We don't talk about it because it's all in a days work here in null. What we do is look for good fights (the one where you don't get blobbed), collect kill mails, and hunt down people who don't belong in our space. There is plenty of small gang PvP in between the large fleet battles.

If you want to join the conflict start looking at some of those sov holding alliances on dot-lan, look at the corps that are in them, and start contacting them. Most of them list their recruiters in the corp details. There is plenty of room for new-ish pilots in nullsec - tackle is always necessary and only takes a few days to train to a decent level. We love players who are willing to fight and despise special little princesses who think that the whole alliance should drop what it's doing to come and help them because they are too stupid to help themselves. Show willing and you will get all the help and advice you need, from which skills to train to what fittings work best, to how to PvP well.

You can get into large scale PvP as soon as you can fit a point on a rifter. You'll be told what the official CTA ships are, and you train for that. Usually as soon as you have everything trained the doctrine changes and you have to train for something else, but on the bright side once you train something it's trained forever. As for joining a forum, that's goons. There are enough goons, you don't have to be yet another goon.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#27 - 2012-10-28 01:24:35 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
[Unfortunately, NOT joining CTA's can be the "death knell" for alliances.


Of course. Just saying a good way to make less people do them is to be a **** about it.

At least that's been my experience. I have the weirdest luck with joining corps and alliances that are already crumbling.

The only time I ever balked at doing a CTA was when I found out afterwards that it was all just a personal payback CTA and served the alliance absolute zero purpose apart from ego.

Then I realised one day that sov IS about ego. So I quit 0.0.

Until something breaks in sov, I won't be in any hurry to go back. As it is for many I gather.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-10-28 01:53:21 UTC
0.0 is full of PVP. Best there is if you know how to find it.

Get yourself in a decent NPC 0.0 based corp and learn the ropes. Plan roams in the farmers sov space and have fun ganking them. That would be the best of both worlds. Then you can make a name for yourself and raise some hell, make lots of isk and enjoy the spoils of their space.

However, you can expect them to come looking for you from time to time to kick your teeth in. Be mobile and smart and you will be fine.
Milton von Friedman
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-10-28 01:55:29 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
And holy hell Kugutsumen isn't censored here anymore?


Not empty quoting.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-10-28 01:56:42 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


Haven't been playing long, so I'm really just asking questions and not complaining but:

-Took a look @ the SOV map earlier and noticed the huge blobs. Did more research and read up on these "coalitions". My question is: do these guys ever actually fight? Given how large these Alliances are, any hostile activity between them would be noticeable or at least be talked about on the forums. Just seems like everyone's buddy-buddy and scared to fight and lose ships and SOV. Is that how Null is?

-How exactly does one go about joining this conflict (if there is one). I know about spies and them having strict rules on admission but others told me these guys require you to join a forum (that you have to pay for) and wait like 3-4 months.

...can I get into some large scale pvp without having to wait 1/4 of a year??

- I know about Eve University but it takes them too long to let you in. Are there any other large scale noob corps out ? I'm interested in Manufacturing and Piracy.

- On average how is this community towards new players?

ty.

Doobay.


Yes, they fight all the time. Not every day is a no hold barred supercarriers and titans on the grid fight (that's usually on the weekend or for some special op), but there's always fighting and sov grinding going on. Always. Absolutely no one is scared to lose ships in null (except the care-bears, who usually don't last long). Everyone in null has lost billions of isk worth of ships, and more billions worth of implants. We don't talk about it because it's all in a days work here in null. What we do is look for good fights (the one where you don't get blobbed), collect kill mails, and hunt down people who don't belong in our space. There is plenty of small gang PvP in between the large fleet battles.

If you want to join the conflict start looking at some of those sov holding alliances on dot-lan, look at the corps that are in them, and start contacting them. Most of them list their recruiters in the corp details. There is plenty of room for new-ish pilots in nullsec - tackle is always necessary and only takes a few days to train to a decent level. We love players who are willing to fight and despise special little princesses who think that the whole alliance should drop what it's doing to come and help them because they are too stupid to help themselves. Show willing and you will get all the help and advice you need, from which skills to train to what fittings work best, to how to PvP well.

You can get into large scale PvP as soon as you can fit a point on a rifter. You'll be told what the official CTA ships are, and you train for that. Usually as soon as you have everything trained the doctrine changes and you have to train for something else, but on the bright side once you train something it's trained forever. As for joining a forum, that's goons. There are enough goons, you don't have to be yet another goon.





Your post was very helpful, thank you.

I don't want to be a Goon. I kind of like joining underdogs. I don't like blending in, and it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me. Not taking anything from them. I'm glad they found something they're good at...I just won't be doing it. I'd like to join a smaller alliance that's still growing which will allow me to make friends and connections, gain a foothold in an up and comer and go from there.

DOOBAY!!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2012-10-28 02:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Max Doobie wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
What we do is look for good fights (the one where you don't get blobbed),

I don't want to be a Goon. I kind of like joining underdogs. I don't like blending in, and it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me. Not taking anything from them. I'm glad they found something they're good at...I just won't be doing it. I'd like to join a smaller alliance that's still growing which will allow me to make friends and connections, gain a foothold in an up and comer and go from there.

DOOBAY!!!

We, too, look to not get blobbed. Hilariously, we ensure this occurs with a high(er) probability by, you guessed it:

Blobbing harder than the enemy.


Have a good time in EVE. There's a bunch of small alliances. Some of them might be renters though, so yeah, chat with them first before you find yourself as a spaceserf under BoB5.0 (Maybe paying repair fees to Makalu or something?)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-10-28 03:57:53 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me


It may be lame for you, but my Goonsax loves a good licking.

Besides, those people are doing it wrong. A true goon wouldn't complain about licking Goonsax while trying to get into our infamous spacing guild. They would use getting their Goonsax licked as a reason for joining. That, and pubbie tears.

Future Member of Goonwaffe wrote:

I would like to soak my Goonsax in a brandy snifter full of pubbie tears. Downloading this terrible spaceship game right now.


Or something like that.

Our forums are mostly just goons waxing poetic about all the ways Goonsax can be licked, so if that ain't your thing, you're better off in another corp.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-28 04:06:57 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me


It may be lame for you, but my Goonsax loves a good licking.

Besides, those people are doing it wrong. A true goon wouldn't complain about licking Goonsax while trying to get into our infamous spacing guild. They would use getting their Goonsax licked as a reason for joining. That, and pubbie tears.

Future Member of Goonwaffe wrote:

I would like to soak my Goonsax in a brandy snifter full of pubbie tears. Downloading this terrible spaceship game right now.


Or something like that.

Our forums are mostly just goons waxing poetic about all the ways Goonsax can be licked, so if that ain't your thing, you're better off in another corp.



Like I said man, Doobie has no issue with Goons, but let's be clear, I don't kiss ass. Just can't do it. If I get in with someone it'll be based on my abilities, not my ego stroking prowess. You guys came together and worked hard to be become on of the largest Alliances in game, and have done some nice ****. Props to you.

Having said that, I'm here to blow **** up and make my own mark on this place. EvE is one of my hobbies, and I believe in being the best in whatever I do. Based on my limited knowledge of Eve, joining a growing Alliance rather than an established one is the best route to carving my own piece.

Like that Gentleman's Agreement group. I've seen a few posts about them....wonder if they're still recruiting.


DOOBAY!!!
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#34 - 2012-10-28 04:11:41 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:

Max Doobie wrote:
it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me

you're better off in another corp.

That was my first pick.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2012-10-28 04:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Max Doobie wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me

It may be lame for you, but my Goonsax loves a good licking.

Besides, those people are doing it wrong. A true goon wouldn't complain about licking Goonsax while trying to get into our infamous spacing guild. They would use getting their Goonsax licked as a reason for joining. That, and pubbie tears.
Future Member of Goonwaffe wrote:

I would like to soak my Goonsax in a brandy snifter full of pubbie tears. Downloading this terrible spaceship game right now.

Or something like that.

Our forums are mostly just goons waxing poetic about all the ways Goonsax can be licked, so if that ain't your thing, you're better off in another corp.

Like I said man, Doobie has no issue with Goons, but let's be clear, I don't kiss ass. Just can't do it. If I get in with someone it'll be based on my abilities, not my ego stroking prowess. You guys came together and worked hard to be become on of the largest Alliances in game, and have done some nice ****. Props to you.

Having said that, I'm here to blow **** up and make my own mark on this place. EvE is one of my hobbies, and I believe in being the best in whatever I do. Based on my limited knowledge of Eve, joining a growing Alliance rather than an established one is the best route to carving my own piece.

Like that Gentleman's Agreement group. I've seen a few posts about them....wonder if they're still recruiting.


DOOBAY!!!

You're getting the wrong idea from the morons that *can't* join.

That made up quote up there? That's how REAL newbees post. You see, we ~trick~ them into playing EVE Online by promising exciting fights and tears.

Instead you have blueballs, structure shooting and bad 4chan links in local.


And Boat <3

P.S. I'm told SMA recruit. They're known for being pretty damn hardcore, both in defending their own space as well as showing up a ton to fleets.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#36 - 2012-10-28 04:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Max Doobie wrote:

Like that Gentleman's Agreement group. I've seen a few posts about them....wonder if they're still recruiting.

I'd be having a look at some blue lists before I did anything.

Just saying. Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-28 04:19:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
it seems everyone is licking Goonsax to join which is quite lame to me

It may be lame for you, but my Goonsax loves a good licking.

Besides, those people are doing it wrong. A true goon wouldn't complain about licking Goonsax while trying to get into our infamous spacing guild. They would use getting their Goonsax licked as a reason for joining. That, and pubbie tears.
Future Member of Goonwaffe wrote:

I would like to soak my Goonsax in a brandy snifter full of pubbie tears. Downloading this terrible spaceship game right now.

Or something like that.

Our forums are mostly just goons waxing poetic about all the ways Goonsax can be licked, so if that ain't your thing, you're better off in another corp.

Like I said man, Doobie has no issue with Goons, but let's be clear, I don't kiss ass. Just can't do it. If I get in with someone it'll be based on my abilities, not my ego stroking prowess. You guys came together and worked hard to be become on of the largest Alliances in game, and have done some nice ****. Props to you.

Having said that, I'm here to blow **** up and make my own mark on this place. EvE is one of my hobbies, and I believe in being the best in whatever I do. Based on my limited knowledge of Eve, joining a growing Alliance rather than an established one is the best route to carving my own piece.

Like that Gentleman's Agreement group. I've seen a few posts about them....wonder if they're still recruiting.


DOOBAY!!!

You're getting the wrong idea from the morons that *can't* join.

That made up quote up there? That's how REAL newbees post. You see, we ~trick~ them into playing EVE Online by promising exciting fights and tears.

Instead you have blueballs, structure shooting and bad 4chan links in local.


And Boat <3

P.S. I'm told SMA recruit. They're known for being pretty damn hardcore, both in defending their own space as well as showing up a ton to fleets.



Will look into them, thank you for the tip.

...oh and when I can I expect a refund on that 150 million isk deposit I put down a few days ago to join Goons?

I mean yeah I changed my mind and all but....you guys aren't going to keep my money....are you?

...

...are you...?

hellooo....anybody here?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#38 - 2012-10-28 04:22:08 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
(SMA) Will look into them, thank you for the tip.

I'd be having a look at THEIR blue list before I did anything too.

Just saying. Blink

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-10-28 04:28:45 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
(SMA) Will look into them, thank you for the tip.

I'd be having a look at THEIR blue list before I did anything too.

Just saying. Blink


Who is SMA anyway? That the name of the corp or the symbol?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#40 - 2012-10-28 04:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Max Doobie wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:
(SMA) Will look into them, thank you for the tip.

I'd be having a look at THEIR blue list before I did anything too.

Just saying. Blink


Who is SMA anyway? That the name of the corp or the symbol?

space monkeys

good guys actually. it's just THE LIST man. THE LIST... ugh....


(perhaps it's just me - i live in a state in Aus where simply associating with undesirables can get you put in jail - seriously!)

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."