Ships & Modules

Sticks perfectly to "blitz" choice but seems some people have hard time figuring out what it means. Leave it alone the acutall 600 vs future 1K dps HAM Tengu without even knowing how missiles actually work.

This is good, they can contract to me their T2 fitted/rig Tengus for 250M each.

All forms of PVE put together ... winner is LOKI.

It can do most types well.

this basically....

I'll still run mine.


Isk for isk one of the best tanks around. I have a cheap yet effective permarun tank (dual gist b ssb, 2 passive racial resists) . For me...needed. Eve time comes at the end of long work days and doing the family bit. Many a time I have fallen asleep at the wheel and the tengu jsut kept on going. Did this once with a mach and damn near lost her (came to in time to go oh crap and gtfo as she went into hull damage lol).

DPS was never all that as well. If a dps monger....this was always the wrong pony to back. the lost dps to me is looking to be 1-2 salvos for a frig, 2-4 for a bc and 5-6 for a BS. Not end of the world. Good rof these roll off is short order anyway. But not an isk per hour zealot. Hell if I was, I wouldn't be in a tengu anyway lol.

For level 4 missions nothing beats the BIG GUNS.

Machariel, Nightmare, I hear the Drone/Rail Navy Domi is the bee's knees(hopefully still so after AI changes), Vindicator etc.

Nothing beats being able to one shot frigates in a blink of an eye and not having to count vollies.

Anyways I'm leaning toward Shield tanked 350mm/Sentry Drone Navy Domi completely filled with weapon and drone upgrades that make your eyes melt.

Missiles changes

Also you may be interested in other changes they plan for Retribution, most of them are stickies on F&I subforum, rest is in dev blogs.

Somewhat true but very misleading.

PvE is plexing, mission running, etc. As such, a Mac/Nightmare can out perform a Tengu for just mission work but when exploration operations come into the picture -- I'm fairly certain a hell of a lot of pirate types would dearly love to see a pimp fit Mach show up trying to run complexes and such.

The most useful PvE ships fall to the T3 cruisers and the Tengu has been the top T3 for a very long time. If it balances out differently, that won't be bad at all bringing more diversity but to claim it's not the most efficient overall PVE option is inaccurate.

It's truth that Tengu is a good PvE option for combination of applied DPS, tank and ability to GTFO. I can see why some null people are happy with incoming HAM Tengus - range is somewhat irrelevant for ratting if you avae proper bookmarks (if anything, you always have catalized AB and you won't be motorboating too much anyways; and yes, fuel catalyst is the thing because of improved agility which is important for mentioned gtfo activity), and blowing apart beefy BSs faster is nice.
But OP was talking about "hisec PvE", meaning mostly missions I presume, and Tengu won't be too awesome for that (if maybe good by my standards, as I've said).

If the 5 seconds for taking the time to change your hardeners is in your calculation for time/isk for missions i am very scared at how you would react to a phone call heh.

Jokes aside of course. I trained for a tengu and never really saw a good reason for it other than blitzing. I like killing everything and am kinda glad to hear there will be a new flavor of the month or well for the tengu i guess year lol.

As someone who has tried for hours to come up with the best possible rattingfit for the winbter expansion, i have just one statement:

"Fit or it didnt happend!"

he was talking about range = javelin ammo?
IMO 550-600 dps with javlin is possible but not 750, as he stated.
while dps for rage is incredible high, thats true, it also rather shortranged

best i could do: 683dps
5%-imps, all5

[Tengu, ham to the max]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst