Missions & Complexes

2 ice mining that will yeld you max money no effort (ice mining), the best combat account with a good ship like nightmare on amarr space , machariel or marauders and 1 salvager behind. Best option will be FoF missiles ship that can tank whole rooms or drone ship (till the Ai will change then will be only fof) . Option will be get in , slow go to acc gate leaving the ship to kill things , then be on the salvager .

i do a 1+1 with my other accts mining or something none intensive like ice mining point click do something else ingame

If you're willing to run 4 accounts and mission why not run L5s

On average you should be able to run 4 missions per hour. The missions only take 2-7 minutes to complete, but you spend a fair amount of time moving between systems, changing out your hardeners, ect.

Payment wise that works out to
30->40 Million ISK in Mission payment
10-50 Million ISK in Bounty/Tags (depending upon the missions)
400->450 Million worth of LP

I don't link you're going to come anywhere near 500 million/hour running L4s no matter how you break it down


Ship Layout
(1) Passive Fit Assault Frigate
(2) Exequror to RR the Assault Frigate
(3) DPS fit Talos to deal damage
(4) DPS fit Talos to deal damage

If you like to PvP, slap a point/scram on the talos and mission in a FW system. Nothings more fun that getting scanned down by a pirate thinking they get an easy mission boat kill.

If you don't like to PvP, mission in an empty system, and no one will ever bother you.


-FM

Thank you all for your suggestions.

The thing is I already have my main account for PvPing these would just be supporting accounts :)

And no, I wasn't planning on having 4 boats in a single mission, more likely a split of either 2 or three missions at once (multi tasking isn't that hard in missions..).

FoFs do a bit too low dps iirc to really be effective, though level 5 does sound interesting. Never attempted them before as people tend to do them in carriers (? o.O) from what I've heard. Though that setup you posted sounds rather in-expensive so wouldn't be too bad to run in low-sec. Could even lose it a few times without too much impact.

Lol . . . .

Spoken like someone who has never left a noob system and just listens to the "Aww don't go into evil low sec . . . every system has 10 thousand pilots with perfect scanning skills trying to scan down and pop your velator"

Most of low sec is very safe. Safer the high sec in my opinion. Try autopiloting your shuttle in high sec with a couple hundred million in the cargo hold and see how long you last.

All it takes to survive is a little bit of brains . . .


1) You have this thing called "D-Scan". It takes the "average" scanner 3-5 minutes to get a lock on you. All you have to do is hit it every minute our so and you will know before they can lock you. I can complete most of the missions in less than 5 minutes. Sometimes I hang out with a MWD drive after I complete the mission so that they can warp in and think they "almost caught me"
1b) There are players that will catch you in a couple scans. Know who they are and be more vigilant when they are in system.

2) You have this tool called local chat. Talk to people. If they are your friends they don't *usually* try and shoot you.

3) Fly Cheap. Even if there is a great scanner in system that you are not friends with, he's looking to catch a faction Battleship, T3, or capital. A gang of ships worth 200 million maybe is't going to get his attention unless he is VERY bored
3b) So what if he catches you and blows up one of your ships. You make 500 Million per hour. You could replace your ENTIRE FLEET twice per hour and still come out ahead.

4) Warp Core stabilizers when changing systems in hostile territory. The only real threat that you can't control is gatecamps. Use one of you ships to scout and mount Warp Core Stabilizers when you feel that a gate camp is likely (most gate campers aren't that smart, and it's easy to see them coming). When you get to your mission system refit to the combat fit.


All in all, over the last two hundred L5 missions I've flown with a 4 man gang
Missions I've had to drop because I got scanned down(just come back and finish the next day) : 2-3
Ship I've Lost to Player Pirates : 0
Pirates I Killed by trapping them : 2
Assault Frigates/Exequror lost because I didn't run the mission right : 20-25
Talos lost because I didn't run the mission right : 2-3
Next profit - 17.5 Billion

Obvious the problem is figuring out how to run the missions, not dealing with Player Pirates.

-FM

If you look at his kill board, he's talking from experience.


3.2bil navy raven....

the issue with L5s in low sec isn't getting your ship killed, its that you can be kept from missioning by the mere presence of others. if you've got a corp and backup, no worries, much easier. Doing it solo, esp multi-boxing, you're going to be spending a lot of time running, docking, and generally not missioning.

I'm going to have to disagree with 3 things here

1. 2-7 minutes to finish a lvl 5 with only 2 dps talos.
Most lvl 5 have 20 bs give or take a few plus support not the sort of thing your going to take out in 2 minutes. Let alone the ones with respawns that force your fleet to warp out or if they have carriers/freighters in the mission or multiple rooms and even more bs's. I can see maybe 15 minutes on some missions if you don't count looting or time to get there etc.


2. AF / exequor for tanking
I'm undecided on this one. A lot of these missions feature many bs's so speed is good and an exequor can put out enough reps to tank a fair amount of dps. The problem is a lot of these missions feature lots of elite frigates with webs and many feature neut batteries that prevent any ab/mwd plans you had. If you are getting webbed by a half dozen elite frigates those bs's are gonna tear you a new one. There's also the very very small buffer of a af which is bad if your fleet is a few seconds late in arriving or a new spawn shows up and you need to warp out but your af is scrambled. a t1 logistics cruiser is also very fragile and isn't gonna be able to help much if someone aside from the tank starts taking heavy damage.

It's potentially possible and if it works the reduced risk due to cost is well worth it, but a HIC would serve the tank roll much better and upgrading to a logistics may be worth it.

3. New AI is coming.
jumping into lvl 5's should deffinitely wait until after the AI and after you've figured out how it works and a way to deal with it in it's new form. Hopefully you can manage the agro properly and a setup like what's mentioned will work but we won't know till it's released and tested.



Lvl 5's are very profitable and can be run with cheap ships and no need for t3's/carriers. I ran pretty much every one with 2 bs's and a command ship combo easily enough. It's also not too hard to avoid pirates for the most part though they may occasionally (1 or 2 days a month more often on weekends) camp/afk cloak the system so be prepared to do something else occasionally. Lastly they are a hell of a lot of fun if your looking for a challenge, take this one for example.

All I can say is WOW... I would be nervous in highsec with that.

I 'll admit at one time I was starting to fall into the gank bait trap. I had two CN invulnerability fields and was thinking of upgrading my SBA to either faction or deadspace and thought wait what am I doing? If I'm having no issues even in the bonus room of AE with an all T2 tank (except the shield booster) why add several billion ISK worth of modules? It's only going to make me a target and not make missions go any faster. I sold the two CN invulnerability fields and bought PLEX!

I could understand faction launchers in the CNR for a little extra DPS but with the Drake I couldn't give up my fury heavy missiles.

I don't mission in lowsec because I don't see the point unless you want some PVP thrill with your missions. If I go to lowsec it's in a PVP ship. I almost had a heart attack when I accidently jumped into lowsec with my CNR.

Just to throw in my .02 isk, the most I've ever used at one time for a single mission was 3 accounts: two missioners, one Noctis driver.