Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I love you

If you find a way to fix armor tanking i'll love you even more (my female alt may marry you LOL)

It's called Tiericide friend. We're taking the tiers out back and putting them out of their misery.

And you will change skills requirments so.

But can you explain why all of cruisers have same logic except Vexor and Thorax ?


@Aglais : Ok, apologize...

This is not empty quoting, honest.

Calling all laser purists. Please chip in.



You may disagree but there seems to be a trend in this thread that occurred in the combat frig discussion. A lot of meaningful talk about the Minmatar, Gallente and Caldari ships with relatively little about Amarr, apart from "Yay, it's got a damage bonus, I might, maybe, think about fitting lasers and flying it, sometime. When I get round to training them", or something.

It's understandable. For years both the Maller and the Punisher were usually autocannon fit if they were ever used at all and many players only saw training lasers as a way to get into the boss mode Amarr battleships, with Zealots and 'Bingers as a bonus. Comparatively, there's not so much experience of shooting lasers from smaller T1 ships out there IMO, so not so much discussion either. You still don't see Punishers that often.

To be fair, they are 'hard mode' somewhat. They have some great strengths, but they also have profound weaknesses that really take some committed skillpoints to overcome. Also, in practice lasers are more dependant on piloting experience to get a good quality shot, unlike AC's, blasters, missiles and drones which are more forgiving. This, compounded by their limited midslot force multiplication too has meant that fewer players persevere with them and move on to other, more immediately rewarding ships.

The tactics of flying an Amarr laser boat differ from the received wisdom. Not much is written about it. When they say 'Get in close, under their guns!', the 'their' they are referring to is in fact, you. The utility high is vital to Amarr brawling strategy.



The Neutralizer. It forces your opponent into one of two positions. They can stay out of it's range, a range at which your guns have no problem tracking them. Or they can get in close and hope that they can break your tank before their loadout is compromised. The neut is a great equalizer, so long as you can tank the dps until it works.

The Nosferatu. Yes, the nos. Even though Amarr ships have the strongest capacitor, when you're shooting laser beams it's still not enough. Particularly in an extended engagement. Being slower, their prop mods can be running for longer to cover the same ground as faster ships and fitting a cap booster means deciding between a point or a web. A nos can do a lot to ease the pressure, even a small one. Especially if you are shooting conflag (it's freakin' green!!).

Moar Heatz. Not much, but a wee bit more. Ok, not so integral but when you burn your guns out a spare slot can mean you still have life in some when you ungroup them. Which is nice. (Hey, it happens)


Personally I'd like to see a ship with a robust tank and a fitting option of either a neut and FMPL's or just HMPL's. Four turrets, one utility, +10% damage per level. I know I'm harping on about it but I've had the spare time to post a more detailed case.






In a game of 'Rock, Scissors, Paper' all Amarr brawlers can hope to be is a really badass rock. With good skills it can be a rock with sharp jagged edges that will even give paper a hard time.

Drones aren't the answer imo. They won't compliment the ship or it's combat strategy. The Maller should be a sphere of hell. If you enter it, you need a plan. You can always leave if you can't take the heat. It'll still be slow.




Thanks for your time.

The only real flaw about Amarr so far is a slow mobility and a bad image because everybody is adviced to shoot autocannons and fly fast...

Make the Amarr ships versatile like the things currently in progress (tank, gank and droneships available with each their own niche will be much better than all of them being flown in a very similar way) and people will start training them. This is an image/fashion thing that can be changed over time if a proper balance is yet again being introduced to Eve.
To make this happen I still believe the fall-off modifier on tracking enhancers has a much too great influence in why people fly minmatar so dominantly and very few fly amarr.

The real drawback as I see it is the fast minmatar shield/nano ships vs already slow Amarr ships not only being tied down by heavy armor plates, but also rigs cutting down raw velocity by a lot making it very difficult to compete against the mobile skirmish mechanics that has proven again and again to be a key factor in small scale combat...

Nerf low slot fall-off modifiers, change armor rig penalties and make sure the new Amarr T1 lines are versatile - Then we might see good results in a few months.

PS. The executioner is badass for tackling !!

This alone will make armor tanking A LOT more viable, tracking enhancers have the same fallof bonus as SCRIPTED tracking computer but use half the cpu and 0 cap. Tracking Enhancers need a nerf.

CCP Fozzie does CCP have any plans to look into Armor Tanking in any of this expansions releases or have it on the table for expansions to follow? If not, is there much discussion on Armor tanking such as the Talos natural inclination towards players fitting shields along with about 75% of these Cruisers and issues such as this?

We have plans. Can't attach dates to those plans quite yet though, but when we're ready this forum will be the best place to see them.

naughty Raivi :P