Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Right, straight off here, your giving it to a NEW cruiser hull, and giving the hull BARELY any tank, and it STILL has to be deployed, and used, en masse, to easily kill capitals? why not just spam T3's then? at least they can survive if the enemy decides to field subcaps to lol-pop your fleet (since the bombers would be slaughtered).


better yet, why not give this doomsday bomb to black-ops, and give black-ops a slight buff?

I'd prefer it to be a T2 destroyer hull though. Using the new Dessy hulls


Oh, and not fully covert but able to blops bridge in.

I feel this idea to be worth consideration.

Primary reason: Gameplay.

In my opinion, stability by means of cap fleets is a bad thing, as it allows the guys on top leverage to stay on top.
This sounds like it would undermine cap fleets in favor of alliances who may not be able to counter with equal cap fleets.

your idea is too flawed there is no way you can introduce a subcap hull that does more damage than a dread which is basically what you asking. id rather see a change to the current stealth bomber. ie;

increase bomb launcher capacity to 3 bombs for launcher - add cargo dump mode.

Cargo dump mode... set self destruction sequence in a hurry meaning all bombs are launched however do not travel cycle time 30 seconds at the end of the cycle the bombs explode. in these 30 secs a smart bomb could kill them so they don't deal any damage

LOVE the Idea!!!!


Few changes I would suggest.


Drop the whole "launch bomb Idea".


Your "bomber" has to be manually flown INTO the desired ship.

Your of course get destroyed and podded upon impact, plus lose a skill level "akin to t3 cruisers" .


This gives a support fleet the time to pop you on approach. And as for AOE damage, I'd give it 10km seeing as that's not to large, I"d love to see a closely knit group of these blow each other out of the sky.


Would make for a great Eve cinematic.

If I got five cents every time I heard the idea of 'a cruiser hull superbomber that kills supercapitals' I'd have my own personal space program, a functional lunar colony in ten years and a starship in construction which would be able to, in less than a week, travel to goddamn Neptune.

We don't need additional ships. We need to address problems that allow supercapitals to be produced so easily. Make them extremely rare. Make limits on how many supercapitals an alliance can have active with them at one time. Maybe boost Titans so they're singular terrifying ships, though not quite instant win buttons unless they have an incredibly solid support fleet (primarily subcapital in nature).

What I want to see is that a Titan is a truly rare occurrence and even the very most powerful alliances might ever own two of them at once. And going back to the tradition where titan wrecks become major landmarks in-system. Same with supercarriers.

Carriers and Dreadnoughts I don't see as much of a reason to restrict, but still, supercapitals need some kind of limit to how they're allowed to proliferate.

Don't ignore the real problem and tell me I'm "living in the past".

We don't need to introduce more pointless ships to solve problems that can be fixed in other ways that, to me, make more sense.

If we see alot of supercapitals, then this would to me imply not necessarily a lack of counters (though you're clearly arguing the case, and in some ways I think it's in need of addressing but not in your proposed way), but rather that it's too easy to just mass them in the first place, and generate alts to fly them. Which is why I think that if we put serious restrictions on just how many supercapitals an alliance can have active at once, then at least part of the problem will go away. To be blunt, the last thing EVE really needs is more ships in new roles right now until the rebalancing effort is over, and even then, why bother adding this new ship if a substantial subcapital fleet with carrier support or something could potentially take it down? Definitely still a Titan should not be a pushover, but resigning to the "the only way to counter supercapitals should be either more supercapitals or also these new bombers" idea doesn't make sense to me. That's not going to address the true issue that it's too easy to build them. Which is IMO the real problem here. If you give me evidence that this is not in fact the real problem then by all means enlighten me as to what the real problem is.

Seriously?

Are devs going to introduce code that make it first come first serve to use caps somehow?

I get it that you see the caps as being too many right now, but I am waiting for your solution.

It's too late for building restrictions to deal with existing caps, all that will do is curtail future ones.

Maybe you should put up a thread on this idea, if you can come up with a balanced way to take these ships out of play that won't result in angry chaos from those who feel they earned them.

You mean I could field a cruiser with 24k or more damage.... making super carrier DPS look like child's play....

And you think that's balanced?

Not too bad of an idea, but not sure how you would "manually" aim in this game since there is no crosshair on screen to know for sure in which direction the ship is facing. Unless you're talking about lock on, fire, and if the target moves, the missile doesn't track.

The game already has a strategic cruiser. If they were to utilize a strategic battleship to accommodate the suggestion of a high sec capital carrier found in another thread (military version of the orca), then this ship could be accommodated as an optional design using subsystems in a strategic frigate. This way you are not designing another ship just to counter an issue but rather introducing a new class of ship that is tailorable to personal taste and to fit different roles.

So by using a specific subsystem in the design of the frigate, the ship can equip the specialized frigate to launch such a weapon. This would be an offensive subsystem.

Then with an additional subsystem, you could make use of the covert ops cloak and the system can come with the -100% target delay bonus that bombers currently have.

So by using 2 subsystems, you have the ship you're looking for, just as a frigate instead of being a cruiser.

If the weapon is a missile that doesn't track, would that mean that the angular velocity between you and the target be 0?

The explosion radius and velocity should be such that only capital sized ships receive the full extent of the damage.