EVE General Discussion

You mean more security, more competition, less consumer wealth and less capacity.

I'm sure any industrial or mining corporation who wanted to be part of Executive Outcomes would be taken seriously. The idea of having an entire corporation of people willing to seed our markets for us and keep us in ships is quite appealing. We don't expect elite pee vee pee, we expect contributors to the alliance. If your idea of "joining a nullsec alliance" is to sit there mining and making stuff and selling it at ridiculous prices then no, that's not contributing. Supplying our doctrine ships on contract at pre-agreed prices in our staging systems, making capital ships to order, making and fuelling POSs and other various things are contributing.

However I'm pretty sure if I checked we would find none have asked us.

I don't really see the upside of making production process operated. In fact it will result in people hogging slots similar to the situation back when people had to hire the actual slots. Good thing then though was that operating costs DID rose (like offices do), but since POS weren't an alternative yet, CCP had to step in.

The current ability to stack projects at least now allows others to make use of a facility as well, instead of a few that occupy the slots permanently until finally the fees becomes to much to afford.

I think the NPC slot rent currently does rise when they are all permanently occupied. Problem is though that with the current availability of slots, it doesn't rise enough. The effect should be increased so in hub systems and their neighbors it becomes feasible to use POS for production.

Increase in NPC rents to a point where they can take a big bite out of your profit, would also allow for NPC faction standings to become more important for those determined to producing in hub stations.

Personally I'd say a raise of 5% if a stations capacity is above 75% for a whole week, 25% if it's been at 100% the whole week. And 5% down when below 25%, 25% down when at 0% for the whole week. Down to a minimum ofcourse.

A good way to look at this is trying to imagine the NPC owner to maximize its profit.

I think a better formula would be raising the fee with 5% if during a whole week more then 75% of a station's capacity is used, and dropping 5% (down to a minimum fee) if it drops below 25% at some point during a week.

POS refineries would only need a capacity buff if CCP would nerf the station's refineries so these jobs would take time as well (perhaps still a bit quicker then POS). Then increase the NPC fee a lot but increase the effect of NPC standings on this.
I'd imagine this would open up a new 'garbage recycler' profession in EVE.

Why the focus on NPC standings? Because it would give FW another boost, together with mission runners. And I'd imagine most players won't bother with trying to raise their standings just for station services, but those that do have new opportunities. It's also something that will give one-account players an edge over players that run their own industry corp with dozens of personal accounts (like those now dominating Jita's Wall-Mart).

So there are no POS to be found in highsec? Increased competition over a much larger market. Decreased consumer wealth is blatantly false, see speculators. Your reasons are inadequate.
And when there are hostiles in system, I sure hoped there was concord to protect my little PI truck. [/quote]

Those POS are pretty much all for research because of the shortage of available NPC research slots. In the same way null can put up POS to deal with the lack of outpost industry slots. So that argument is just silly.

And may I remind you that that 'larger market' is coming a LOT from 0.0 demand? RvB's ship-grinder aside, it's 0.0 where the most stuff gets destroyed, especially when compared to the number of inhabitants. If null would supply it's own demand, empire would remain with the same competitive market, but with a much smaller customer base (most of them only rarely losing a ship). Thus creating the argument I mentioned.

A agree to some point on the lower consumer wealth though. CCP is not maintaining the balance well in this regard. Having nerfed individual income for null to much while allowing Incursions to remain as is (a problem that's as old as Lv4 mission though). But considering the sustained scale at which stuff gets destroyed in null, on alliance level, they certainly ARE richer then the ones in empire.

If they feel like spending more money to run manufacturing in a POS, instead of spending a few meager minutes to find the myriad of free (and cheap as ****) slots within 2-3 jumps of Jita, then that's profit they're tossing out the window on their own dime. vOv


Then they're not exactly willing to spend even a few seconds to find the myriad of open slots within 2-3 jumps of jita. It's what I always use, and it costs literally nothing to use. I can't really help it if they're lazy and dumb. vOv

Not nearly as many as in nullsec. The CFC and many many others managed to blow up more ships in a single battle than all of highsec lost in that day.

Care to guess how many of those are newbie ships and T1 frigates?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235

High Sec
PVP: 1,974,022
PVE: 6,317,926
Total: 8,291,948

Low Sec
PVP: 4,126,911
PVE: 510,683
Total: 4,637,594

Null Sec
PVP: 7,061,988
PVE: 568,353
Total: 7,630,341

Wormhole Space
PVP: 377,786
PVE: 162,126
Total: 539,912

I'm not sure this is the answer. By all means add more industrial capacity to 0.0, but I think that hi-sec should always retain the capacity to accomodate many players. The advantage of 0.0 production should be production & material efficiency rather than production availability.

For instance there'd be no need for heavy-handed anti-sandbox style measures like restricting T2 production to 0.0 if you simply gave player built outposts an irreducable 10-15% ME advantage over NPC one. T2 production would largely shift to 0.0 on its own, because the increase in profit margin would be worth the risk.

So in other words you agree to his idea of removing all minerals from hi-sec except those which are already there?