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ROFL CCP is going to fast-forward the changes no LP dump
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galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-10-23 04:26:43 UTC
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


No CCP, you broke the FW and now you punish again, and again, as you did the first time you broke them, rinse wash and repeat.


Let me be very clear. Why is that everytime there is a FW change involving system control it falls when Caldari have the fewest and Gallente have the most? Coincidence? At this point, hardly...

You knew what we (Caldari) were planning CCP. Another dump, Dec 1. Boo-hoo. But you punish US for YOUR failure? Sorry you broke the rules kiddos, breaks. Now we pay for it? As an entire 9000 player faction? WOW.



This is the kind of thing that makes you understand exactly how biased and completely slanted, unforgiving and frankly RUDE CCP is regarding FW and ultimately, the player base in general.



Yet another move guised as a fix, but in reality just a hose for those playing within the rules that CCP made, broke and otherwise didn't completey think through.
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Can i suggest loosening your tin foil hat just a little bit ?
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#22 - 2012-10-23 04:29:32 UTC
galenwade wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


No CCP, you broke the FW and now you punish again, and again, as you did the first time you broke them, rinse wash and repeat.


Let me be very clear. Why is that everytime there is a FW change involving system control it falls when Caldari have the fewest and Gallente have the most? Coincidence? At this point, hardly...

You knew what we (Caldari) were planning CCP. Another dump, Dec 1. Boo-hoo. But you punish US for YOUR failure? Sorry you broke the rules kiddos, breaks. Now we pay for it? As an entire 9000 player faction? WOW.



This is the kind of thing that makes you understand exactly how biased and completely slanted, unforgiving and frankly RUDE CCP is regarding FW and ultimately, the player base in general.



Yet another move guised as a fix, but in reality just a hose for those playing within the rules that CCP made, broke and otherwise didn't completey think through.
.


Can i suggest loosening your tin foil hat just a little bit ?


Has CCP ever thought of looking at the FW MAP before a sweeping change like this?

Have you?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about.?

I doubt it.

How about you loosen your mouth from CCP's proverbial cod-piece?

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#23 - 2012-10-23 04:32:29 UTC
The truth hurts but is extremely revealing...

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#24 - 2012-10-23 04:35:22 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Mjolnir, that post... Shocked


What? You bore me with innuendos of nothing.

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#25 - 2012-10-23 04:36:31 UTC
If you actually look past the "one last cash in" issue (which btw is effecting all factions, we all planned one last cash in ... not just caldari) the sudden appearence of these changes actually favours caldari heavily. After the announcement, the last 24 hours became a land grab for Caldari and there is / was little Gallente could do to stop caldari flipping a huge amount of systems (including some strategically important ones) which will be all but impossible to flip back with the new changes.

So while yes, caldari may have been hit rather harshly by missing one more tier 5, you can stil cash in all those LP's at tier 3 prices and you'll be in a pretty strong position with the amount of systems you own come tomorrow (if your system flipping continues the way it is until downtime)

Positives and negatives on both sides, hardly a ccp conspiracy to destroy the Caldari militia.

TL:DR - **** happens, but my lazors are still firing so lets have at it ...
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#26 - 2012-10-23 04:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mjolnir Gost
Tekitha wrote:
If you actually look past the "one last cash in" issue (which btw is effecting all factions, we all planned one last cash in ... not just caldari) the sudden appearence of these changes actually favours caldari heavily. After the announcement, the last 24 hours became a land grab for Caldari and there is / was little Gallente could do to stop caldari flipping a huge amount of systems (including some strategically important ones) which will be all but impossible to flip back with the new changes.

So while yes, caldari may have been hit rather harshly by missing one more tier 5, you can stil cash in all those LP's at tier 3 prices and you'll be in a pretty strong position with the amount of systems you own come tomorrow (if your system flipping continues the way it is until downtime)

Positives and negatives on both sides, hardly a ccp conspiracy to destroy the Caldari militia.

TL:DR - **** happens, but my lazors are still firing so lets have at it ...


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#27 - 2012-10-23 04:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekitha
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.


you're missing my point. If you remove the ISK / LP farmers from the equation, Caldari has today flipped some important systems which Gallente will unlikely be able to flip back ... thats actually an advantage for you guys, not the other way around.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#28 - 2012-10-23 05:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mjolnir Gost
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.


you're missing my point. If you remove the ISK / LP farmers from the equation, Caldari has today flipped some important systems which Gallente will unlikely be able to flip back ... thats actually an advantage for you guys, not the other way around.


Yes, we did.

That was entirely "forced" as a result of TODAYS announcement.

You do see how today was a little short on notice of these changes given the stakes and scope don't you?

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#29 - 2012-10-23 05:03:08 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.


you're missing my point. If you remove the ISK / LP farmers from the equation, Caldari has today flipped some important systems which Gallente will unlikely be able to flip back ... thats actually an advantage for you guys, not the other way around.


TBH I appreciate your point and compliments. Please note that I am concerned mainly with CCP's ninja method of implementing these changes.

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#30 - 2012-10-23 05:06:00 UTC
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.


you're missing my point. If you remove the ISK / LP farmers from the equation, Caldari has today flipped some important systems which Gallente will unlikely be able to flip back ... thats actually an advantage for you guys, not the other way around.


TBH I appreciate your point and compliments. Please note that I am concerned mainly with CCP's ninja method of implementing these changes.


oh I get that, altho personally I find it more amusing than concerning / annoying. After all, CCP's methods always tend to border on trolling rather than being sensible. Just saying, todays events (whether forced by todays announcements or not) will actually benefit caldari in the long term I think.
Alina Markon
Grand Budapest Hotel
#31 - 2012-10-23 05:14:01 UTC
CCP should've have given out free "cheese" trade items to go with all this whine they created. Best update ever.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#32 - 2012-10-23 05:15:55 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:


TY, and agreed, Maybe I am "salty" that 50-100 guys do this all for a 9000 person faction. That's between me and god.

What I am concerned about is why the ninja rule change?

WHY?

TBH, "we" dont care about the LP dump. Those guys can kiss sand. Farmers farm, I PvP.

I am worried that the change favors the enemy (Galls) with defensive plex upgrades and system cotrol loss without recourse. That is disturbing.

PS, certainly will not "destroy" Calmil, that has not been my point or aurgument. We will fight, outgunned, outnumbered, etc etc, from here until your titans rot. It was the method that got me. That's all.


you're missing my point. If you remove the ISK / LP farmers from the equation, Caldari has today flipped some important systems which Gallente will unlikely be able to flip back ... thats actually an advantage for you guys, not the other way around.


TBH I appreciate your point and compliments. Please note that I am concerned mainly with CCP's ninja method of implementing these changes.


oh I get that, altho personally I find it more amusing than concerning / annoying. After all, CCP's methods always tend to border on trolling rather than being sensible. Just saying, todays events (whether forced by todays announcements or not) will actually benefit caldari in the long term I think.


Potentially, especially with the introduction of system cyno jammers. Might briefly counter-act a few well known methods of our "enemies"

However, you fail to see the overall point that your opinion is slanted if you meet one of the following criteria:

1. You are not directly affected by these changes

2. You are part of CCP's "inner circle", let's face it, they talk to their "friends" in FW to get these reccomendations

3. You actually directly benefit from this in at least the short term

Clearly you and your cohorts believe what they/you are doing is right, that these changes are "good for all".

Clearly you have not examined this from the perspective of someone who has to go mow the freakin' grass, IE, FC this, work with it, deal with it.

No one in my circle, except possibly a now rogue Caldari player was even approached for an opinion on this that I am aware of.

Smacks of bias and pandering, would you agree?

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#33 - 2012-10-23 05:29:09 UTC
I officially change my position, Bravo CCP for implementing a change to relieve the Gallente of their utter loss of the war.

GREAT! Non-biased, of course. A change that sweeps FW a different direction is always welcomed, of course.

You have done a great thing for FW CCP, keep up the stellar work!

I heart CCP for implementing changes in a levelled, sensible, planned and announced way... hats off CCP, another job well done complimented by your vast community.

Caldari, stop WHINING, you know this is best for you, as no one asked or cared to ask. Of course it is, question the maker? How dare you!

Caldari, you farming twits, ffs, quit yer bitching and accept that overnigbht you have no system control and all your plexing efforts in the last 12 months mean NOTHING. Go on, accept it. It's easy, you whiners, come on.Roll



Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
David Campbell
Primas Custos
#34 - 2012-10-23 05:29:31 UTC
I don't understand why you and the rest of the squids whine so much about the nija patch. We Gallente are the one getting a surprised and uninvited visit in our rear end.
Looking at how many system you've already flipped and knowing that all the vulnerable system are so contested it will take us more than a week to deplex them, I'd be pretty happy if I were a squid right now.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#35 - 2012-10-23 05:34:14 UTC
David Campbell wrote:
I don't understand why you and the rest of the squids whine so much about the nija patch. We Gallente are the one getting a surprised and uninvited visit in our rear end.
Looking at how many system you've already flipped and knowing that all the vulnerable system are so contested it will take us more than a week to deplex them, I'd be pretty happy if I were a squid right now.


You fail to see the overall point that your opinion is slanted if you meet one of the following criteria:

1. You are not directly affected by these changes

2. You are part of CCP's "inner circle", let's face it, they talk to their "friends" in FW to get these reccomendations

3. You actually directly benefit from this in at least the short term

Clearly you and your cohorts believe what they/you are doing is right, that these changes are "good for all".

Clearly you have not examined this from the perspective of someone who has to go mow the freakin' grass, IE, FC this, work with it, deal with it.

No one in my circle, except possibly a now rogue Caldari player was even approached for an opinion on this that I am aware of.

Smacks of bias and pandering, would you agree?

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#36 - 2012-10-23 05:35:38 UTC
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Potentially, especially with the introduction of system cyno jammers. Might briefly counter-act a few well known methods of our "enemies"

However, you fail to see the overall point that your opinion is slanted if you meet one of the following criteria:

1. You are not directly affected by these changes

2. You are part of CCP's "inner circle", let's face it, they talk to their "friends" in FW to get these reccomendations

3. You actually directly benefit from this in at least the short term

Clearly you and your cohorts believe what they/you are doing is right, that these changes are "good for all".

Clearly you have not examined this from the perspective of someone who has to go mow the freakin' grass, IE, FC this, work with it, deal with it.

No one in my circle, except possibly a now rogue Caldari player was even approached for an opinion on this that I am aware of.

Smacks of bias and pandering, would you agree?



wow, you could not be further from the truth if you tried

1) I and my corp are directly affected by this change, on both fronts. Many of my guys missed the last LP push and were looking forward to the next one. On the system occupancy front, notoras is where we keep all our jump clones and sometimes stage caps from, Prism is where our blues live so being able to dock their is a HUGE benefit to joint ops ... Both of these systems have fallen today.

2) Not sure who these friends are, or inner CCP circle I am part of ... Maybe you're mistaking me with some1 else but I can assure you I have no such contacts.

3) I'm struggling to think of one single benefit to me or my corp in either the short or long term from these changes and the manner in which they are being introduced.

I also was not approached for my opinion, and as you mention, the cyno jammer thing (which I had compeltely forgotten about until now) will ofc affect gallente (my alliance specifically) ALOT harder with so many systems not under our control.

So no, I don't really see and bias or pandering.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#37 - 2012-10-23 05:36:27 UTC
David Campbell wrote:
I don't understand why you and the rest of the squids whine so much about the nija patch. We Gallente are the one getting a surprised and uninvited visit in our rear end.
Looking at how many system you've already flipped and knowing that all the vulnerable system are so contested it will take us more than a week to deplex them, I'd be pretty happy if I were a squid right now.


I and around 100 people literally spent the entire day plexing and flipping to counter the ninja change. I would like a day of my life back CCP. Pirate

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#38 - 2012-10-23 05:38:01 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Potentially, especially with the introduction of system cyno jammers. Might briefly counter-act a few well known methods of our "enemies"

However, you fail to see the overall point that your opinion is slanted if you meet one of the following criteria:

1. You are not directly affected by these changes

2. You are part of CCP's "inner circle", let's face it, they talk to their "friends" in FW to get these reccomendations

3. You actually directly benefit from this in at least the short term

Clearly you and your cohorts believe what they/you are doing is right, that these changes are "good for all".

Clearly you have not examined this from the perspective of someone who has to go mow the freakin' grass, IE, FC this, work with it, deal with it.

No one in my circle, except possibly a now rogue Caldari player was even approached for an opinion on this that I am aware of.

Smacks of bias and pandering, would you agree?



wow, you could not be further from the truth if you tried

1) I and my corp are directly affected by this change, on both fronts. Many of my guys missed the last LP push and were looking forward to the next one. On the system occupancy front, notoras is where we keep all our jump clones and sometimes stage caps from, Prism is where our blues live so being able to dock their is a HUGE benefit to joint ops ... Both of these systems have fallen today.

2) Not sure who these friends are, or inner CCP circle I am part of ... Maybe you're mistaking me with some1 else but I can assure you I have no such contacts.

3) I'm struggling to think of one single benefit to me or my corp in either the short or long term from these changes and the manner in which they are being introduced.

I also was not approached for my opinion, and as you mention, the cyno jammer thing (which I had compeltely forgotten about until now) will ofc affect gallente (my alliance specifically) ALOT harder with so many systems not under our control.

So no, I don't really see and bias or pandering.


Huh, whose whining now?

Maybe you should go talk to CCP about these changes, huh?

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
HandsomeJack
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-10-23 05:42:36 UTC
Guess you never really can make everyone happy. Relax man, it's only a game. So you spent a day plexing and flipping systems. Good for you, you're looking after your gaming experience. You want that day back? Um. You made that choice yourself over going to the movies or any other possibility. I thought the point of a game is to have fun, if you're not having fun... why are you playing... or even paying for that game?
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#40 - 2012-10-23 05:44:10 UTC
I'm happy to see that other Caldari see the truth now as well. That is, CCP has always hated Caldari as a faction and have done everything in their power to make sure their beloved "good guy" factions of Gallente & Minmatar would have every advantage over "slavers and capitalists".

This is a known fact of CCP's actions intended to hurt the Caldari:

- Person developing the faction warfare is playing for Gallente by his own admission.

- CCP Soundwave waving the flag for Gallente militia in alliance tournament VII (pointing this out got Damar banned from forums)

- Dominion debacle and multiple reboots and plex spawns which as a result caused Caldari to lose occupancy in two critical systems, Old Man Star & Heydieles (working as intended by CCP)

- Not once punishing Gallente militia members for using known bugs such as turning NPC's to fire on friendly militia or removing plexes from circulation. Also note that immediately after I exposed how this bug worked, CCP threathened me with ban due to exploiting.

- FW agent distribution with Gallente and Minmatar having low-sec agents which cannot be "shut down" with new mechanics.

- Stealth nerf to Caldari NCP's which were never announced (= Reducing ECM).

There are more but I quess this is enough for now. CCP can shout whatever they want but most people on Caldari side should have nothing but contempt for this kind of biased behavior and "deck stacking".