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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#241 - 2012-10-21 19:01:22 UTC
There is no way that a wardec mechanics could ever work without someone finding its way with it.
This way its the most fun, tho.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2012-10-21 19:18:37 UTC
Isana Tori wrote:
My time bouncing around looking for targets is a patient waiting game. Most war targets to me are in fast ships burning gate to gate as fast as they can.

What else is highsec for?
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#243 - 2012-10-21 19:46:24 UTC
Kc Decartes wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Holy cow dude, you still don't understand what Dec Shield is for?


ofc... trolling xD

Guess my young, eager, starry eyes were/are looking for something more though.


0/10 if trolling you should be banned

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#244 - 2012-10-21 21:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Isana Tori wrote:
My time bouncing around looking for targets is a patient waiting game. Most war targets to me are in fast ships burning gate to gate as fast as they can.

The other time I spend hours in traffic systems waiting near gates. It's almost as if being in perpetual war with no out has a draining effect on people.

You're giving the Dec Shield white knights a bit too much credit here. Without even counting the fact that they are outnumbered by the "mean war griefers," there's the whole "these guys aren't the average empire carebears" aspect of the conflict to consider.

Why are you not seeing anyone? Because the people you're at war with aren't the type to shove all of their belongings into untanked Badgers on autopilot to Jita.

All that people have to do to avoid you is to scout ahead. You're more than welcome to think that using scouts, which 99% of the people you're at war with do anyway as standard practice, is emotionally draining I guess.

edit: I will admit that managing all those standings is pretty tiring.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#245 - 2012-10-22 05:06:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Isana Tori wrote:
My time bouncing around looking for targets is a patient waiting game. Most war targets to me are in fast ships burning gate to gate as fast as they can.

The other time I spend hours in traffic systems waiting near gates. It's almost as if being in perpetual war with no out has a draining effect on people.

You're giving the Dec Shield white knights a bit too much credit here. Without even counting the fact that they are outnumbered by the "mean war griefers," there's the whole "these guys aren't the average empire carebears" aspect of the conflict to consider.

Why are you not seeing anyone? Because the people you're at war with aren't the type to shove all of their belongings into untanked Badgers on autopilot to Jita.

All that people have to do to avoid you is to scout ahead. You're more than welcome to think that using scouts, which 99% of the people you're at war with do anyway as standard practice, is emotionally draining I guess.

edit: I will admit that managing all those standings is pretty tiring.


Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the fact that you take the time to 'explain' all of that, indicate that there actually IS an effect on your behavior to such an extent that you need to address it here? No?
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#246 - 2012-10-22 06:20:18 UTC
Random thoughts after reading this thread:

* Why in the hell did I read this. Don't I have anything better to do with my time?

* This sounds like a hillariously bad screw up on CCPs part. Left uncorrected this is going to continue to spiral out of control. I salute Dec Shield for exposing this as the issue it is.

* On the other hand, I can easily imagine quite few PvP corporations joining Dec Shield just for the targets and free wars.

* This completely destroys Merc Corps. It's more damaging to them than it is to high sec griefer corps. Bad move CCP.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#247 - 2012-10-22 06:50:27 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the fact that you take the time to 'explain' all of that, indicate that there actually IS an effect on your behavior to such an extent that you need to address it here? No?

I don't think so. That's a pretty hefty jump in logic. Am I not allowed to comment on something just because it doesn't affect me?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#248 - 2012-10-22 11:00:42 UTC
OT Smithers wrote:
* This completely destroys Merc Corps. It's more damaging to them than it is to high sec griefer corps. Bad move CCP.
Yes that one. Lol

I haven't play last week, but last time I speak about it, 3 well-known merc corps answered me that they stopped declaring wardecs, and were just waiting for an "ally" contract. 3 positive answers from a pool of 8 corps. 2 of the other corps are WH mercs, the 3 remaining groups were the Marmitte (they are already trapped and well, they have enough numbers to deal with it anyway), a lowsec merc corp where the average SS is below -5 and my own corp, because I don't care that much since I'll be trapped sooner or later and I don't live in highsec.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#249 - 2012-10-22 19:37:09 UTC
A Dec Shield ambassador corporation has left the alliance we are warring. Not only do we get to continue warring those silly people, but now we get Dec Shield fun? BRING ON THE CRAZY WAR DECs.

Managing standings will be a ***** though.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#250 - 2012-10-22 21:30:34 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
A Dec Shield ambassador corporation has left the alliance we are warring. Not only do we get to continue warring those silly people, but now we get Dec Shield fun? BRING ON THE CRAZY WAR DECs.

Managing standings will be a ***** though.

Ya, you guys are trapped. If you ever see a Dec Shield ambassador corp leave your target, then it's already too late :P

Burn Highsec Griefers
Kc Decartes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2012-10-23 04:09:34 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Holy cow dude, you still don't understand what Dec Shield is for?


ofc... trolling xD

Guess my young, eager, starry eyes were/are looking for something more though.


0/10 if trolling you should be banned


Cry me a river with your w(h)ine.

Not to mention your statement in comparison to your signature is quite ironic. You don't like they way we play eve? You want big brother ccp to ban me... boohoohoo.

Dec shield is the troll.... I would normally say something like... didn't you know? We both know who's alt you are though, so whats the point?

Regards as always,

KcD

D.F.C.S.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#252 - 2012-10-23 17:30:11 UTC
Kc Decartes wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Holy cow dude, you still don't understand what Dec Shield is for?


ofc... trolling xD

Guess my young, eager, starry eyes were/are looking for something more though.


0/10 if trolling you should be banned


Cry me a river with your w(h)ine.

Not to mention your statement in comparison to your signature is quite ironic. You don't like they way we play eve? You want big brother ccp to ban me... boohoohoo.

Dec shield is the troll.... I would normally say something like... didn't you know? We both know who's alt you are though, so whats the point?

Regards as always,

KcD


Wha dafugg just came out your mouth?

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-10-25 12:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Isana Tori wrote:
My time bouncing around looking for targets is a patient waiting game. Most war targets to me are in fast ships burning gate to gate as fast as they can.

The other time I spend hours in traffic systems waiting near gates. It's almost as if being in perpetual war with no out has a draining effect on people.


I hope this is your alt. Since you talk a far to big game for someone with 0 kills. Not to mention no kills for your corp according to EVE-Kill. Corps that are trapped in DS I see everywhere when I fly around and it does not seem to slow the larget corps/alliances down.

And as Vegas mentioned most 1-3 man corps are prolly alt of carebears trying PVP, he is not wrong. I say trying since your one if you have a Main for Indy. I am sure I will get trapped at some point but I really do not give a rats ass. I will just close this down and continue what I do in a new corp. I don't care about the number of targets, I like to focus my attention on people.

DS is good for one thing... pointing out flaws in the system. If anybody believes it is there for any other reason they are delusional.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#254 - 2012-10-25 15:57:18 UTC
Has someone you "trapped" ever earned a surrender?

Question totally unrelated to the prospect of a war with a small group of empire PVPers who spikes with people unable to defend themselves every couple days.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#255 - 2012-10-25 19:05:51 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Has someone you "trapped" ever earned a surrender?

Question totally unrelated to the prospect of a war with a small group of empire PVPers who spikes with people unable to defend themselves every couple days.

Sure, but we'd just use the fake surrender mechanics to steal their isk at that point. After a few weeks of being trapped against Dec Shield it's entirely impossible to release a captured corp/alliance anyways, since dozens of corps hold mutual wars against them. And I couldn't talk people into releasing them if I wanted to

Burn Highsec Griefers
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#256 - 2012-10-25 22:30:24 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Has someone you "trapped" ever earned a surrender?

Question totally unrelated to the prospect of a war with a small group of empire PVPers who spikes with people unable to defend themselves every couple days.
A long time ago, at least one year ago, I wardeced some indus bears. Their PVP corp wardecced me in return (onoz). Of course, I made it mutual. After one week, I got some iskies from one of their member and set them free...

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#257 - 2012-10-26 00:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Arth Lawing wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:


It's truly sad to see how fast we can spread these wars. C0VEN was at war with Penumbra Institute (a 13 man corp that was harassing them), and C0VEN wanted to pursue them into highsec for vengeance. Now C0VEN is trapped in 7 wars, and that number will only escalate. Any corporations that drop out of C0VEN I believe will remain in permanent outgoing wardecs, and never be able to join an alliance again (corps with outgoing wars can't join alliances).




The C0VEN war dec was a hasty reaction they made when we war dec'd their renter alliance I-BRA. We immediately made the C0VEN war mutual so we could pick it up at a point in the future, however at the time we had actually moved out to the Esoteria and Feythabolis area to disrupt traffic and isk making of their blues and renters, and to pick off juicy targets as they presented themselves. This was greatly helped by a couple of friendly and disillusioned corps in I-BRA and ROL, and as you can see from the kills it gave us a good ability to change fittings and ships multiple times, despite having no station access. Even giving us a chance to switch once to an alpha tornado gang and one shot a nightmare as it sat just outside its POS shields in P9F-ZG.

We weren't even in high sec at the time of the war dec, and, as anyone who knows us can tell, we usually don't go to high sec very often. Theres no intention of us to evade their war dec by use of any mechanics, we're just busy and will pick at it over time and as we see fit. C0VEN has made no offer of settlement indicating that they wish to bring it to a close, so I assume they are happy to keep it running indefinitely as well. We will likely return to our disruptive ops around their 0.0 space very soon, maybe after that we'll do the same in high sec empire and see what juicy targets they float around there. At least in empire ROL won't be dropping solo supercaps on our cloaky nano gangs.


good goin guys I like to see null sec alliances fall apart slowly :P

Dear C0VEN,

blah blah blah... blah

you have NO SOV, you have NO ISK, you have NO DIGNITY

you got your **** pushed in by TRIBE a noob alliance... keep the story straight please. Oh, and 1/2 of ROL joined them... derp.

to sum it up, you have NOTHING now and you moved to hi sec and ONLY now realized you're at constant war with a lot of people and the problem is growing... goodbye isk, goodbye KDR goodbye goodfights, GOODBYE Period Basis and Paragon Soul.

C0VEN, you may continue.

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Miss Trapper
Doomheim
#258 - 2012-10-26 01:51:01 UTC
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#259 - 2012-10-26 05:51:10 UTC
Miss Trapper wrote:
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.


you don't read well it seems, they are being protected by Dec Shield (quite the opposite of being trapped)

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#260 - 2012-10-26 08:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Miss Trapper wrote:
I am so excited!!!!! Once Goonswarm Federation is trapped, maybe CCP will get off their butt and fix the system.


Actually- most bitter Goons are more than happy with the prospect of no more member corps.

Last I recall, we went out of our way to prevent people from joining the alliance; but you know, magical things can happen for a paltry sum of 500m.