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what is up with the plex in eve.
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Octoven
Stellar Production
#181 - 2012-10-22 20:09:49 UTC
Has anyone noticed the average price of PLEX jumping back to 600 after DT? I've heard some people notice the price going down hours before DT and say it rubber bands back to a "set standard" by CCP after DT.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#182 - 2012-10-22 20:41:13 UTC
If you havent heard, but CCP is putting together a tournament to where you can win 10,000 dollars. and the price to enter is plexes.

so those joining are buying plexes to use to enter the tournament. in which case causes a massive spike in prices.


me on the other hand i will still spend cash for my game time so much easier. I'll save buying plexes when i want something pretty :).
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-10-23 04:43:25 UTC
PeHD0M wrote:
Reselling and transfering of PLEXes should be prohibited. And prices will get back to normal values. CCP should stop the market manipulations.


Just because I bought 87,000 PLEX just to hold doesn't mean you should hate me.

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Signal11th
#184 - 2012-10-23 07:31:56 UTC
ISquishWorms wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

When I see people with like 25 accounts I think to myself, wow do you have a job, a life, have you ever gotten laid?

This game has some of the worst examples of pathetic unemployed virgin nerds out of all the games I play.

Also, the "But you can't make money in Eve without alts" argument is a load of BULLCRAP.

I have one character and one account and 40 billion in my wallet.

Alts are just a way for epic failure players to artificially gain advantages over everyone else by multiplying their numbers.

Another reason why I hate alts is the paranoid environment they create everywhere.


So many assumptions made in so few sentances. Shocked



But probably true never the less.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#185 - 2012-10-23 09:24:55 UTC
40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#186 - 2012-10-23 11:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
Also anything that reduces subscriptions is bad as it makes it look like eve is a poor game, which is bad for attracting new players.


In 2011 there were like 50K players in EVE at most cases when i was logged in, so people surely were using alts more often than now, probably using PLEX to extend game time. Now if there is less logged in alts, demand is somehow greater? I know CCP uses PLEX for everything but c'mon. 30k vs 50k logged in. Shocked

Probably those who play are so good, that they don't need so much time making 40B, and then create more inflation and demand for PLEX. Shocked
Add speculation and limited faucet of NEW PLEXes what drives PLEX prices up. Speculators speculating with speculators over the dvindling amount of PLEX. Shocked

Because, when 40B ISK is not a big number, who will buy PLEX for real cash to sell for ISK? Also, why make ISK from PLEX-real $ when you can play this game and have what you want. Shocked

Or you will sell it for 1B at next fanfest. Buyer will add it to his Bazillion worth PLEX stash and wait for it to go 1,5B. Shocked

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Freezehunter
#187 - 2012-10-23 11:39:50 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.


I know, that was not the point.

It's amazing how you can fluctuate between 900 and 40 billion when you play the market.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#188 - 2012-10-23 11:47:58 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.


I know, that was not the point.

It's amazing how you can fluctuate between 900 and 40 billion when you play the market.


It's amazing how I can have 40 billion, 85 billion, 160 billion or 300 billion depending on how I do my accounting.
Signal11th
#189 - 2012-10-23 12:03:10 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.


I know, that was not the point.

It's amazing how you can fluctuate between 900 and 40 billion when you play the market.


It's amazing how I can have 40 billion, 85 billion, 160 billion or 300 billion depending on how I do my accounting.



I find having a running float of around 300mil pretty much enables me to do most things in EVE, although I have alot more somewhere I rarely need any more than that to work, not that I actually play EVE anymore but that's a different point! Straight

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#190 - 2012-10-24 13:14:27 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.



That is indeed probably one of the main issues (read: problems) with the game.

I always hear that losses are meant to be 'painful' in EVE. Apparently not. Especially folks who can get scammed out of a Titan by the Mittani, then turn around and lose one while mining in it.

ISK is not exactly real, but the above just does not sound at all like anyone serious about playing EVE. They may as well be a bot for all they contribute. Get rid of them and their 'trust fund baby' approach to this game.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Venusa
Cristicorpus
Fraternity.
#191 - 2012-10-24 13:34:34 UTC
CPP must be thinking that Greed is good.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2012-10-24 13:47:19 UTC
CCP has no control over PLEX prices. The players control the prices in whole. If you are too ignorant to understand that then I am wasting my time trying to explain it yet again.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Venusa
Cristicorpus
Fraternity.
#193 - 2012-10-24 13:59:42 UTC
Don't waste your time , because you are WRONG.

They may don't "control" the price but they are widely influencing the natural balance.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#194 - 2012-10-24 14:04:02 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
CCP has no control over PLEX prices. The players control the prices in whole. If you are too ignorant to understand that then I am wasting my time trying to explain it yet again.


au contraire: The last QEN in March 2011 (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=892) has this:

"the Central Bank might intervene in the PLEX market in order to curb inflation or avoid sudden deflation in the EVE economy."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#195 - 2012-10-24 14:09:31 UTC
Venusa wrote:
CPP must be thinking that Greed is good.

You'd be right if CCP got payed in EVE isk.
Venusa
Cristicorpus
Fraternity.
#196 - 2012-10-24 14:21:08 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Venusa wrote:
CPP must be thinking that Greed is good.

You'd be right if CCP got payed in EVE isk.


More the PLEX's price is High , More the people are going to Buy PLEX in real money to CCP to sell it on the market.
First Main
Main's Moon Mining
#197 - 2012-10-24 14:24:33 UTC
CCP have said before (its in the last CSM minutes) that they are able to influence the price of PLEX by adding some to the market themselves. However they are very very reluctant to do this as it would be them interfering with the market.

Plex prices have shot up by about 80% or so in the last year, however it isn't just Plex prices that have increased. Mineral costs, ores, ships ammo etc etc everything has gone up by about the same amount.

So in reality what im trying to say is, the same amount of work (e.g. mining) is required to purchase a plex as the % increases are reasonably similar across the whole market (e.g. trit used to be approx 3isk, now its common to see it at 5.5isk)

Maybe a way to combat this could be for CCP to increase the rewards from missions, or tweak the bounties from NPC rats. However if they do this it's likely it would lead to the situation to continue spiraling out of control.

CCP shouldn't interfere with the market as it stands, all prices are high, but to mess with it could cause much more problem. The prices will drop again no doubt in the new year after the expansion

tl;dr Dont panic it's gonna fix itself next year
lwxsky oli
lwxsky oli Corp
#198 - 2012-10-24 14:29:27 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:
Sara Mars wrote:
INB4L for being disscussed on another thread.

Its called a free market economy, Deal with it or get a better job. Burger King can only pay so much.


Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.



Will not losing players, only lose accounts which don't pay with real money. So no big deal to CCP.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#199 - 2012-10-24 14:32:37 UTC
It is rather ridiculous how the plex prices have done nothing but rise, I blame all the catering towards carebears - incursions in hisec, buffing afk/bot mining, etc

I feel bad for the poors who can't afford either the real life money or the spacemoney. Must feel bad.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#200 - 2012-10-24 14:35:00 UTC
lwxsky oli wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:
Sara Mars wrote:
INB4L for being disscussed on another thread.

Its called a free market economy, Deal with it or get a better job. Burger King can only pay so much.


Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.



Will not losing players, only lose accounts which don't pay with real money. So no big deal to CCP.


The whole beauty of the PLEX system is that it will always find an equillibrium. It is actually a good indicator of the overall health of the game - higher PLEX means the health of the game is worse, as obviously less people wish to spend their RL cash on EVE.