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what is up with the plex in eve.
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Theodora Asmodeus
Your Tears Fuel Me
#161 - 2012-10-22 15:57:07 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
In the UK EVE is £10 a month. If £10 for a whole month of your hobby is too much then you probably have bigger financial issues that being able to pay for your EVE account.


Yeah, do you have accounts nearly into triple figures? THOUGHT NOT
Signal11th
#162 - 2012-10-22 16:04:44 UTC
Skylitsa wrote:
I won't pay 700M for PLEX just to log in the game for 10 mins a day. There come periods in the lives of some of us that the sole reason of playing is to be able to afford a PLEX so we can renew for a month and keep accumulating skillpoints. Unless PLEX prices drop to their former value (CCP banning bots/manipulating PLEX market or w/e) this company is gonna lose customers.



Why exactly is the company going to lose customers if the plex is already paid for? If you can't afford to pay for the account using cash then you are at the mercy of the market.

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Signal11th
#163 - 2012-10-22 16:10:17 UTC
Movement Runner wrote:
I guess I could fork over $15/mth for my a main account. But not for my alt account.
I've grown used to operating & relying on 2 accounts for missions, mining etc.

It would take me an entire month of slaving away in game, to afford the current price of one 30day plex. I don't see how I can ever advance in game at this rate. I always thought 350m isk for a plex was okay, 500m pushing it but 600+?? No way.. Why can't ccp just put a cap limit?

So ultimately I may decide to stop playing when my isk runs out.



Then like the rest of us you carry on with one account. Simples no?

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Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
#164 - 2012-10-22 16:43:52 UTC
Personally, I welcome the higher prices.

When nobody else can afford to purchase PLEX it will be like my own private license store.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#165 - 2012-10-22 17:03:49 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation. Cool

I don't think so. Dr. Eyjo in the April fanfest stated it's in CCP's interest that prices remain affordable to maximize the number of people who are willing to spend ISK for PLEX.

Two recent examples bear this out, the first being CCP's banner about whether PLEX was going nowhere but up or whether it was all market speculation, and the recent 1 & 10 PLEX deals. Both were attempts to stem the upward rise in prices.


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Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2012-10-22 17:05:45 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
If you don't have time to pay for EvE, how do you have time to play EvE?


Must agree with this statement. Plex prices are the product of a rather ingenious and fun market mechanic called inflation.

Put up or shut up.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-10-22 17:12:57 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:
Sara Mars wrote:
INB4L for being disscussed on another thread.

Its called a free market economy, Deal with it or get a better job. Burger King can only pay so much.


Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.


They'll go up as high as people are willing to pay for them. The price of plex is effected by inflation as well as demand.


Has plex ever gone down in value?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-10-22 17:15:16 UTC
Theodora Asmodeus wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
In the UK EVE is £10 a month. If £10 for a whole month of your hobby is too much then you probably have bigger financial issues that being able to pay for your EVE account.


Yeah, do you have accounts nearly into triple figures? THOUGHT NOT


The only person with that many accounts is an RMTer running bots. WTF.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#169 - 2012-10-22 18:01:25 UTC
PLEX prices are probably goingtobe a bit crazy after the velocity of money hits a speed bump due to the FW nerf announced for tommorrow http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73491 hits 1.5 months early (thank god)
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Freezehunter
#170 - 2012-10-22 18:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

When I see people with like 25 accounts I think to myself, wow do you have a job, a life, have you ever gotten laid?

This game has some of the worst examples of pathetic unemployed virgin nerds out of all the games I play.

Also, the "But you can't make money in Eve without alts" argument is a load of BULLCRAP.

I have one character and one account and 40 billion in my wallet.

Alts are just a way for epic failure players to artificially gain advantages over everyone else by multiplying their numbers.

Another reason why I hate alts is the paranoid environment they create everywhere.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#171 - 2012-10-22 18:14:56 UTC
An excerpt from the blog.

" Although FW is not an isk faucet and does not generate any additional isk in the economy, the influx of cheap LP store items has caused a crash in the income of some mission runners and the concentration of wealth has contributed to the rising price of PLEX on the open market. Players stockpiling PLEX have simply been responding to the economic incentives at the time in good faith, but the price rise has affected the gameplay experience for those who rely on PLEX every month for their subscription. CCP is working via a variety of methods to bring the price of PLEX down, and FW has been identified as an area that can help the process along."

Points out several things. First, CCP knows who uses PLEX and how many accounts that get canceled were using it. They know the impact of PLEX prices. They state they want lower prices, so that subscription data must be telling them a high PLEX is bad for CCP's bottom line. Second, as they know who uses PLEX, they can see if FW players have become major users/buyers. Apparently this change to FW is expected to lower the PLEX, so their data must be telling them that FW was contributing to its rise.

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ISquishWorms
#172 - 2012-10-22 18:26:55 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

When I see people with like 25 accounts I think to myself, wow do you have a job, a life, have you ever gotten laid?

This game has some of the worst examples of pathetic unemployed virgin nerds out of all the games I play.

Also, the "But you can't make money in Eve without alts" argument is a load of BULLCRAP.

I have one character and one account and 40 billion in my wallet.

Alts are just a way for epic failure players to artificially gain advantages over everyone else by multiplying their numbers.

Another reason why I hate alts is the paranoid environment they create everywhere.


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Janet Patton
Brony Express
#173 - 2012-10-22 18:28:53 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.


Eve will loose players not paying for their accounts. CCP will not loose revenue because those PLEX are already bought and paid for. If the prices are as high as they are right now, that means there is a great demand for PLEX.

What about those people that pay cash for PLEX. Do you think they want to sell their PLEX for 350m ISK. When they can get 650m for it?

I think people that can't understand this are the same ones that think government needs to get more involved in our economy to fix it.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#174 - 2012-10-22 18:42:06 UTC
Janet Patton wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.


Eve will loose players not paying for their accounts. CCP will not loose revenue because those PLEX are already bought and paid for. If the prices are as high as they are right now, that means there is a great demand for PLEX.

What about those people that pay cash for PLEX. Do you think they want to sell their PLEX for 350m ISK. When they can get 650m for it?

I think people that can't understand this are the same ones that think government needs to get more involved in our economy to fix it.

They can lose future revenue if so many PLEX using players unsub that the PLEX crashes and people stop purchasing it (for real money).

You may be saying "If the PLEX crashes, people will start buying them (with ISK) creating demand", but that's only true if players who want to use PLEX are still in the game. Someone who has quit and moved to a different game will not buy a PLEX no matter how low it goes.

Also anything that reduces subscriptions is bad as it makes it look like eve is a poor game, which is bad for attracting new players.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#175 - 2012-10-22 18:59:22 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.



But CCP loves it for sure.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#176 - 2012-10-22 19:00:39 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
They can lose future revenue if so many PLEX using players unsub that the PLEX crashes and people stop purchasing it (for real money).

You may be saying "If the PLEX crashes, people will start buying them (with ISK) creating demand", but that's only true if players who want to use PLEX are still in the game. Someone who has quit and moved to a different game will not buy a PLEX no matter how low it goes.

Also anything that reduces subscriptions is bad as it makes it look like eve is a poor game, which is bad for attracting new players.



And new players cannot afford them at the current price. It's just bad all around.

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Freezehunter
#177 - 2012-10-22 19:05:36 UTC
ISquishWorms wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

When I see people with like 25 accounts I think to myself, wow do you have a job, a life, have you ever gotten laid?

This game has some of the worst examples of pathetic unemployed virgin nerds out of all the games I play.

Also, the "But you can't make money in Eve without alts" argument is a load of BULLCRAP.

I have one character and one account and 40 billion in my wallet.

Alts are just a way for epic failure players to artificially gain advantages over everyone else by multiplying their numbers.

Another reason why I hate alts is the paranoid environment they create everywhere.


So many assumptions made in so few sentances. Shocked


They are not assumptions, they are observations from someone that has been playing Eve since 2005.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#178 - 2012-10-22 19:09:20 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:
Eve will loose players not paying for their accounts. CCP will not loose revenue because those PLEX are already bought and paid for. If the prices are as high as they are right now, that means there is a great demand for PLEX.

The spikes we've seen up to about 680mil ISK could easily be the result of traders hoarding PLEX, rather than actual demand from players buying it to redeem it for subscriptions.

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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
maxamike
#179 - 2012-10-22 19:22:32 UTC
It's BLINK. When they raffle 100 plex at a time it will destroy the market..
Nestor II
426 Hemi Powered Mining
#180 - 2012-10-22 20:06:01 UTC
I just got back into EVE a few days ago and pay for 2 accounts, i just might for the hell of it buy some gametime cards and plex those babies out so I can get some things i would like to have. If I had someone in My corp who needed a plex to keep playing because funds were short, i would send a plex his/her way. TIs my way of spreading around the wealth and Good Cheer.

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