EVE General Discussion

What is your point here?
This game is a "sandbox" are you to thick in the skull to know what that means?

That means that any player at any given time can play the game to his or her liking how they see fit for their play style.
Regardless of what you tunnel vision of EVE is and what you THINK it should be is nothing other then your opinion.
The great part is you can play the game how you see fit.
Me ? Im not into PVP at this time I am building up a fat bankroll that will last me for a long while and setting up a residual income of isk for my accounts.

And that is how I choose to play EVE and the reason my accounts are still active.
In fact if it were not for these people focused on their wallets YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO FLY..
I can not understand how these people brag about this "sandbox" but then say "you'r doing it wrong".
NO we are playing EVE the way we see fit and the way that suits us.

HI sec is in place with ways to make ISK because it brings in more CASH CCPs real bank accounts.
They make a few changes to appease the whiners and criers but in the end HI sec is not going away nor will it.
Look at the way things are going Incursions FW bounty systems they are implementing these things so that all the larger NULL alliances can not control all the isk in the game.
Sure they still have the advantage with the moon mining and holding multiple systems in space running the systems but at the very top of it is the ISK still in one way or an other it's about the ISK.

So they bring in these drones to do the shooting for them they offer them a fancy ship replacement program
and you get to PVP to your little hearts content but in the end you are fighting so these people can hold their systems and rake in the ISK.

EVE has Corporations and all Corporations are about money. So your piddly opinions about what people are doing is redundant because this game is and always has been about the ISK not the PVP.

Yeah because goons and the other big players in 0.0 wanted supertanked mining barges, ridiculous isk with 0 risk from incursions in hisec, the idiotic war dec mechanics, failwatch to curb pvp in hisec, etc

definitely

Risk/Reward.

Pray tell, how will reducing the manufacturing and research slots' efficiency (be it mineral-wise or cost-wise) in hisec have any impact on whether or not your ship will go kersplode?

Risk/Reward = Exploding Ships .. you introduced it for some bizarre reason ...
Supply/Demand is a popular and commonly regurgitated litany aswell, but that also would make no sense.


Mostly though your favourite word is "nerf"
The problem i have with the word nerf .... it's negative
It implies the person saying nerf xyz has put no thought into thier argument.
it implies the person using it has no argument, or solution to a problem.



I'd prefer to see the word "fix" used
Fix is far more positive, constructive.

Lets look at a "Fix Manufacturing and Research in Nulsec" option (because we want to be positive AND constructive)
First we need to examine why it's lacking or 'broken'
We do this by stating "Nulsec has severly limited Industrial Facilities compared to it's highsec equivalent"
This is not opinion, or conjecture. It's an easily proven fact, just compare the average (Fact 1) Highsec System to a Nulsec Region with regards to Infrastructure quantity.
Fact 2 "Nulsec Facilities are limited because the number of stations that can be built is limited"
Fact 3 "Nulsec Facilities are limited because of the increased logistics required in nulsec"

Theone solution then becomes
"Allowing multiple Stations to be constructed within the same system, will afford some measure of redressing the disparity between Highsec and Nulsec Industry with regards to manufacturing and Research Slots"
This is something that you can take to CCP, because it's not a 'nerf' request
It's a reasonable and VALID request for consideration.

It's called power creep, an example is the heavy missile nerf.

Nullsec: more risk than hisec, shittier industry
Hisec: no risk, best industry

Gee, such a bizarre reason.


And now you're interpreting things given your own viewpoint. You have three ways to fix a power imbalance, one is to buff one side of the imbalance, and one is to nerf the other, to bring balance. In some cases, you have to do a combination where you buff one side and nerf the other. This is one of those cases, and I've laid out very specifically why the changes I'm arguing for should happen.

1) Nullsec industry capacity must be buffed heavily compared to what it is now, to the point where it's possible to not just match the best system in hisec, but far surpass it.
2) It must be easier to refine in the same system as production happens
3) Hisec manufacturing slot costs should increase to add as an extra economic incentive to not build in hisec for export to nullsec
4) Hisec sales tax could be increased slightly to act as a better isk sink to help deflate the monetary inflation EVE is under, and to allow nullsec entities to set higher sales taxes (which, of course, should go to the station's owner) to help with building up bottom-up financing of alliances.
5) Maybe even make hisec manufacturing less efficient with minerals, to further dissuade f.ex making guns for export to nullsec
6) Maybe even make hisec refineries less efficient with compressed ore, to further dissuade f.ex compressing ore for export to hisec, and to enable nullsec entities to actually add a small refinery tax, to help with building up bottom-up financing of alliances.


And that is but a part of the "fix", since the "fix" still doesn't solve the problem of it making more economic sense to build in hisec and import, and it doesn't solve the problem of miners compressing their ore and sending it to hisec for refinery there.

And the problem with constantly adding buffs all over the place is that this is what's commonly known as "power creep", or power inflation if you must. If you buff one shiptype, like f.ex titans, you can either buff a whole lot of other ships to make them more "in line" with the titans, but that means those ships are suddenly overpowered compared to smaller ships so they need to be buffed, which means those ships are suddenly overpowered to the ships a tier down again, etc etc etc. All that could be avoided by looking at what the problem actually is, and fixing that problem. Sometimes, the fix is nerfing something instead of buffing everything else. And, hisec's manufacturing ability is overpowered compared to the other space categories.

Painting someone who doesn't just say "BUFF ALL THE THINGS" as "hurr durr durr you just say nerf you have no clue" is incongruous when the nerfs are small and better reasoned than "hurr I hate hisec nerf hisec".

We find and shoot those poses, problem solved.

Not in that alt you don't.

This is my PI main. Also oh no what is CCP going to do if they lose a bunch of isk farmers when plex demand is through the roof.