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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-10-21 13:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I am seriously impressed with the amount of work you put in there Chribba. Impressed but not in the least bit surprised Big smile I think I'll sit and take a good long look through this, thank you for your continued efforts my good man Cool

Great...

But why won't CCP deal with this? My guess is they simply don't care...


Shizuken wrote:
Wow Chribba, nice work. I have a feeling this might cause some red faces over in Iceland...Oops

Not likely. This old news and you can bet CCP has known about this for a very long time. It won't get fixed...
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#102 - 2012-10-21 13:49:36 UTC
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
...
Profit.

In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable.


This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response.

Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#103 - 2012-10-21 17:21:49 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
...
Profit.

In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable.


This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response.

Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one?

I think what would be needed is quicker response times. If they can be reported and actually checked up on fairly quickly the hassle of changing accounts would become bigger.

Many times, spambots are quite easily spotted, so it could be taken action against fairly quick if there is someone watching. A report that lays for 2 weeks will not be of use since the trial expired kinda. And to add to this since I'm sure CCP does some form of fingerprinting, it could be easy for them to also tag accounts far quicker.

Yes, people will use virtual machines and the likes, but really fingerprints, IP's, links like that should make it even easier for CCP to make a quicker judgement. If the same IP or computer over and over again gets reported, it's likely that the next report is the same guy again and could make it easier to make a decision.

But who will sit and do this you ask? Well yeah I think in the end CCP would need someone that has more focus on the issue to do this kind of work rather than regular GMs with petition queues.

I report these pilots when I can, but I don't even know if they are being looked at. If CCP has any guidelines I'd be happy to get some more input there and of course see if there's more we as pilots can do before this gets completely out of hand.

/c

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Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-10-21 17:37:50 UTC
Spam bots should be dealt with just as harshly as mining bots, and specially when you have good proof like you gathered about these bots, they should be stopped sooner rather than later...

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-10-21 17:46:53 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Spam bots should be dealt with just as harshly as mining bots, and specially when you have good proof like you gathered about these bots, they should be stopped sooner rather than later...


Agreed, a bot is a bot.
Whether it's mining or talking over local, it's automating the keystroke system required to do that task.
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#106 - 2012-10-21 17:58:22 UTC
iff ccp cleaned up Jita, i wouldn't need to shower every time i leave the system

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#107 - 2012-10-21 18:02:16 UTC
Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-10-21 19:33:02 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Do not ban spammers, simply "cloak-gag" them so they don't know they got gagged... and neither will we.
...
Profit.

In-case someone realizes they got gagged unfairly, it is easily noticeable and correctable.


This is such a good idea that it really should get a dev response.

Would not the spammers just log in a second account and use it to see if the first has been gagged? And if so, stop using the gagged account and move the spam operation to a new one?

I think what would be needed is quicker response times. If they can be reported and actually checked up on fairly quickly the hassle of changing accounts would become bigger.

Many times, spambots are quite easily spotted, so it could be taken action against fairly quick if there is someone watching. A report that lays for 2 weeks will not be of use since the trial expired kinda. And to add to this since I'm sure CCP does some form of fingerprinting, it could be easy for them to also tag accounts far quicker.

Yes, people will use virtual machines and the likes, but really fingerprints, IP's, links like that should make it even easier for CCP to make a quicker judgement. If the same IP or computer over and over again gets reported, it's likely that the next report is the same guy again and could make it easier to make a decision.

But who will sit and do this you ask? Well yeah I think in the end CCP would need someone that has more focus on the issue to do this kind of work rather than regular GMs with petition queues.

I report these pilots when I can, but I don't even know if they are being looked at. If CCP has any guidelines I'd be happy to get some more input there and of course see if there's more we as pilots can do before this gets completely out of hand.

/c

I'd bet that volunteers would line up to do this for free if CCP would give them the tools to do the job...
Lieam Thellere
The CodeX Alliance Executive Holdings Corporation
#109 - 2012-10-21 20:11:22 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here.


I doubt it. Anything they post would get piled on and over-scrutinized as people try to figure out what they really mean. Roll
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#110 - 2012-10-21 20:45:34 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Wondering if there will ever be a blue post in here.
Unlikely.

I'm surprised the ISD volunteers did to be honest.

The OpEd says unless there's a mess to be cleaning up they won't be commenting anymore either.

CCP needs every sub it can get, and as Jita spamming is not like RMT and botting we are stuck with it.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#111 - 2012-10-21 20:47:43 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
I'd bet that volunteers would line up to do this for free if CCP would give them the tools to do the job...
Yeah, and that would never end badly.
REALITY X
Dark Matter Commodities
#112 - 2012-10-22 00:28:12 UTC
Great work Chribba!

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Setab Nairromede
Sarum Strategic Consulting Firm
#113 - 2012-10-22 00:47:59 UTC
And you see why we gave this man his own station. Impressive data.
Alexila Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#114 - 2012-10-22 01:14:39 UTC
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Talus Veran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-10-22 01:23:43 UTC
Nice presentation of data.

I hope CCP follows up on this with you about it if their logs show nothing.

I'm sure they are now aware of your endeavors.

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Yoshmoto
BLOPSEC
#116 - 2012-10-22 02:45:29 UTC
Who gives a ****.

Jita will be Jita ...

You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.

Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...
Rebecca Cairn
Imperial Corrections Service.
#117 - 2012-10-22 02:58:44 UTC
Whoops. Oops
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#118 - 2012-10-22 08:29:05 UTC
Yoshmoto wrote:
Who gives a ****.

Jita will be Jita ...

You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.

Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...


While your post indeed offer a solution, it doesn't address the problem this thread is about (and I also think you stopped reading at my tl;dr Lol)

/c

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Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#119 - 2012-10-22 08:33:01 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Yoshmoto wrote:
Who gives a ****.

Jita will be Jita ...

You don't have to look at the chat if you don't want to.... Turn it off.

Dam! Just get on and play the game instead of wasting your life analyzing numbers from spammers...


While your post indeed offer a solution, it doesn't address the problem this thread is about (and I also think you stopped reading at my tl;dr Lol)

/c


Possibly, turning of the ability to speak in jita. This will cut off some trade among people, but will cut out the heart of the bots.

it's not a very good solution, but botters are hard to remove...
Adoro
Below the Asteroids Ltd.
#120 - 2012-10-22 08:44:25 UTC
Didnt read whole thread, but this brings up an idea:

Import external block list (xml file). Much like the fittings and overview. You can share a block list with other people. Our friend Chribba here (or anyone who has too much time and too much veldspar) could generate a new block list every * days we all can enjoy.

If CCP doesnt block/ban spam botters, atleast give us the tools to fight against them