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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#41 - 2012-10-18 20:06:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

But trying to use casino games as an example of random is definitely flat out wrong indeed.

Casino games are random.

I might not go there.
Traffic was bad.
Lost half my stake at the races.
I'm drunk.
.......

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#42 - 2012-10-18 20:10:52 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
The machines that deal cards in casinos use mathematical algorithms. Therefore the cards can never ever be truly random.

I'm not butt hurt by lack of sites, but I was not aware they work like wormhole sites.






Based on my limited experience in W-space and from corp mates, there is actually a set number of sites per constelation that are distributed randomly throughout each system. As one is done, it despawns and respawns in another system once someone scans it down and warps to it. Once it's done there, rinse and repeat. It techinically does not exist in the actual code until someone warps to it. Same as a WH gate. If you are getting dry spells of sites in an area, It's only because no one has done them to cause a despawn and respawn cycle on that site. It's going to dry for about a week or 2 and then you'll have like 15+ out of nowhere. That is of course someone else is doing the same thing as you else where in the same constellation.

This is my understanding of it all and it makes sense to me. I could be completely wrong though.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2012-10-18 20:34:02 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Yeah, the 250,000,000 ISK I made mining out a Large Hemo/Hedb/Jasp Site yesterday in 1 hour and 15 minutes is worthless, m'kay ?

250m in 1 hr : 15 minutes on HHJ?

You err... sure?



Oops. Meant 2 hrs, 15 min. The old "2 Hulks and an Orca".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2012-10-18 20:36:01 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

But trying to use casino games as an example of random is definitely flat out wrong indeed.

Casino games are random.

I might not go there.
Traffic was bad.
Lost half my stake at the races.
I'm drunk.
.......



Dang, the people on EVE-O Forums will argue where there is no arguement. Only here. Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-10-18 20:38:56 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Just gave ya 2 likes Tippia. I saw 9998.

I prefer symmetry. **** random.
Very nice. That means I broke 10k likes and 100M SP within maybe 15 minutes of each other.

Meaningless e-stats, hoy! Lol
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-10-18 20:46:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Just gave ya 2 likes Tippia. I saw 9998.

I prefer symmetry. **** random.
Very nice. That means I broke 10k likes and 100M SP within maybe 15 minutes of each other.

Meaningless e-stats, hoy! Lol



LOL I love weird statistical coincidences.

The 100,000,000 officially puts you in the BitterVet Club. Do you feel all BitterVet-y now ? Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#47 - 2012-10-18 20:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
TriadSte wrote:
Anecdotal lol...

I wish jerks would go in the game and leave the forums because you ruin perfectly decent topics.

I am posting about something that is indeed very real, based on factual findings. This is not based on 1 days exploring niether this is 4 ish days of an entire region being dry.

In my opinion it is improbable that close to 25 systems be dry of sites for 4 days straight.

If indeed it is a bug as CCP Goliath states it could be then it needs looking into now.


You don't seem to understand what anecdotal means. One person's perception of a problem is always anecdotal no matter how unlikely something is to happen to them due to chance, because at the end of the day they're just one person. If you were to record actual quantifiable and objective numbers from before and after the latest patches for many many people, then it wouldn't be anecdotal.

You don't know how "very real" something is just because of your personal experience. You say its improbable, well... very very unlikely things occur all the time. That's just how life works. Maths.

Lets use an example. There is a 1 in 700,000 chance of a women giving birth to quadruplets. That's very very rare. But there are 130,000,000 births each year, so your very very rare quadruplets are born 190 times each year. Now that's just one unlikely event, imagine how many events there are with a 1 in 700,000 chance of happening. These things probably happen every second of every day. So you think its unlikely for this to happen to you, and it probably is, but it has to happen to someone. Don't be so naive.

And there is no need to insult me over a friendly quip.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#48 - 2012-10-18 21:03:53 UTC
James 315 wrote:
In my day, the rats in the belts were enough. Smile


No one cares about your day.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#49 - 2012-10-18 21:06:40 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
The machines that deal cards in casinos use mathematical algorithms. Therefore the cards can never ever be truly random.

I'm not butt hurt by lack of sites, but I was not aware they work like wormhole sites.






Based on my limited experience in W-space and from corp mates, there is actually a set number of sites per constelation that are distributed randomly throughout each system. As one is done, it despawns and respawns in another system once someone scans it down and warps to it. Once it's done there, rinse and repeat. It techinically does not exist in the actual code until someone warps to it. Same as a WH gate. If you are getting dry spells of sites in an area, It's only because no one has done them to cause a despawn and respawn cycle on that site. It's going to dry for about a week or 2 and then you'll have like 15+ out of nowhere. That is of course someone else is doing the same thing as you else where in the same constellation.

This is my understanding of it all and it makes sense to me. I could be completely wrong though.



Nice and logical and probable answer. Thank you
Doddy
Excidium.
#50 - 2012-10-18 21:07:59 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Anecdotal lol...

I wish jerks would go in the game and leave the forums because you ruin perfectly decent topics.

I am posting about something that is indeed very real, based on factual findings. This is not based on 1 days exploring niether this is 4 ish days of an entire region being dry.

In my opinion it is improbable that close to 25 systems be dry of sites for 4 days straight.

If indeed it is a bug as CCP Goliath states it could be then it needs looking into now.


I have found DEDs in your systems this week.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2012-10-18 21:12:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The 100,000,000 officially puts you in the BitterVet Club. Do you feel all BitterVet-y now ? Smile

Nah. EVEBoard puts me at 2,337.31 SP/h average — that's far too high to maintain any degree of bitterness, and they're even fixing the UnInventory.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#52 - 2012-10-18 21:14:47 UTC
Casinos can 'change the odds' of their slot machines at will.

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Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-10-18 21:17:14 UTC
You are getting scoffed at because every time there has been a patch for years someone always starts a silly topic like this and complains about spawn rates of belt rats/anoms/nanoribbons/invention succesees/misses/hits/luck with the ladies.

You are seeing a correlation of bad RNG luck combined with a specific event in time and claiming they are linked. That is your human brain trying to find a pattern of something to make sense.

While I am deeply sorry you do not understand game theory or rules of large numbers suffice it to say that my nullbearing has not taken a hit of any kind in regards to getting escalations/finding anoms/scanning sigs/inventing/nanoribbon salvage/luck with the ladies. I must therefore conclude that nothing has happened since the pattern I see is consistent, and there is no correlating event.

But lemme tell ya, on my birthday when I got totally hammered it seemed my luck with the ladies went WAAAAAY down, so therefore getting patched to version 30 messed up my gameplay experience and I demand CCP fix it.
NateX
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-10-18 21:19:14 UTC
I started reading the thread.. then thinking, WHY THE **** AM I READING THIS RIDICULOUS POST!
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#55 - 2012-10-18 21:23:04 UTC
Lord Calus wrote:

But lemme tell ya, on my birthday when I got totally hammered it seemed my luck with the ladies went WAAAAAY down, so therefore getting patched to version 30 messed up my gameplay experience and I demand CCP fix it.



Are you comparing a patch to alcohol?

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Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-18 21:26:08 UTC
Yes. The patch (boozin it up) wrecked my drop rates (of ladies small clothes). CCP is obviously stealth nerfing my gameplay experience. Abloo bloo bloo.


Bee tee dubz, that last paragraph was sarcasm chief.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#57 - 2012-10-18 21:29:47 UTC
I would insert a random witty post at this point, but for some reason I seem to be unable to do so....

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#58 - 2012-10-18 22:14:45 UTC
TriadSte wrote:


Any other explorers noticing a serious lack of sites spawning?



Yes, but I thought it was just a long run of bad luck.
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#59 - 2012-10-18 23:20:05 UTC
When I was a kid, we used to play kick the Tritanium. This new generation with their fancy-pantsy magnetometric site scanning. What will they want next?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2012-10-18 23:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Are you comparing a patch to alcohol?
Things go all wobbly for a while, it will often cause a bit of a headache the morning after, and it can be really fun to watch from the outside…

…seems apt.


Also, I just realised that at this rate, Tippia will be done in a year. What the hell am I going to do then?! Ugh
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