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New Dev Blog: ME SQUASH BUG: Improving the EVE experience

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RavenNyx
Tax 'n Death
#121 - 2011-10-18 13:08:06 UTC
As long as the software keeps a readable log on my system of what it does (1:1 of what has been sent), when it does it, and I have to option to opt out entirely of any type of datacollection, then I'm onboard.
Cassina Lemour
Staner Industries
#122 - 2011-10-18 14:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassina Lemour
Solo Drakban wrote:
CCP Redundancy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
That refers to the standard Windows thing, and is unclear on the CCP error reporting.


It's currently mandatory, but we'll patch it asap to make it optional.


Thanks, it's good to hear that it will be optional, but there is still a little bit of ambiguity I'd like clarified: "We'll release with it being mandatory then patch it as some undetermined later date"? Or "we'll get this patched prior to the release"?


... wonders why are you so paranoid about, unless you are doing something you're not supposed to like code-injection.
r0selan
Lostvilla
#123 - 2011-10-18 14:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: r0selan
this indeed can be a good base for a new tool to check for RMT. Regular autoupload of memory dump to eve servers, no optout, autoban if bot is found. simple :)
Pharuan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#124 - 2011-10-18 15:01:22 UTC
I would love to see a graph of the crash data that you have collected thus far.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#125 - 2011-10-18 15:21:11 UTC
r0selan wrote:
this indeed can be a good base for a new tool to check for RMT. Regular autoupload of memory dump to eve servers, no optout, autoban if bot is found. simple :)


So that we're perfectly clear the current system is only submitting data upon crash.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Floydd Heywood
Doomheim
#126 - 2011-10-18 15:56:20 UTC
I wonder if those concerned about their client uploading crash reports may have some modified client files they are afraid will be revealed to CCP. Everyone who plays EVE exchanges data with the server all the time, why be concerned about crash reports containing no personal information? It's just another stream of EVE-related data.

If the new tool could help in any way against hacked clients and botters, please keep it mandatory, unless you can't because this would break any laws Cool
CCP Redundancy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#127 - 2011-10-18 16:01:28 UTC
Pharuan wrote:
I would love to see a graph of the crash data that you have collected thus far.


Imagine a massive red spike on the right hand side that crushes everything else down to insignificance.
Pharuan
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#128 - 2011-10-18 16:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pharuan
CCP Redundancy wrote:
Imagine a massive red spike on the right hand side that crushes everything else down to insignificance.


That's awesome. In the fact that it is doing its job. Is it intimidating for you and the team?
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#129 - 2011-10-18 17:02:48 UTC
As a developer myself, I can tell how valuable this is. Grats CCP on a small step that will most likely pave a long way of improvements. =)

**thumbs up**

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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
#130 - 2011-10-18 19:30:21 UTC
Cassina Lemour wrote:


... wonders why are you so paranoid about, unless you are doing something you're not supposed to like code-injection.

CCP Sreegs is not the only one here (Eve Online) who is a security professional.

Some of us are conditioned to be paranoid by decades of training. Smile
Solo Drakban
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#131 - 2011-10-18 19:47:12 UTC
Cassina Lemour wrote:
Solo Drakban wrote:
CCP Redundancy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
That refers to the standard Windows thing, and is unclear on the CCP error reporting.


It's currently mandatory, but we'll patch it asap to make it optional.


Thanks, it's good to hear that it will be optional, but there is still a little bit of ambiguity I'd like clarified: "We'll release with it being mandatory then patch it as some undetermined later date"? Or "we'll get this patched prior to the release"?


... wonders why are you so paranoid about, unless you are doing something you're not supposed to like code-injection.


I'd like to thank you for reading over the entire thread before you replied. It's refreshing when somebody doesn't just jump into the middle of a conversation, but actually reads through the entire thing and sees that the post they were able to make has already been addressed during the course of the thread, and that there is in fact no reason for them to post at all.

Refreshing indeed...
OSGOD
Siren's calll
#132 - 2011-10-19 03:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: OSGOD
In Summary

We don’t like releasing bad code to you or leaving it broken for a long time, and we hope this is a big step forward in fixing that. I hope that in the next few weeks we can put a measurable dent in the number of crashes that happen in EVE.


first of i have been playing since jan 2007 "We don’t like releasing bad code to you or leaving it broken for a long time" ,UTTER BULLSHIT this game has had bad coding since i started playing the only thing has in improved is ccp`s bullshit and graphics ,donr get me wrong as far as graphics go apart from shadows (cough) eve is bye far outstanding but as far as broken code goes here is 2 trhat have been in eve since i started 1, loosing ice on cycles when mining with or with out orca ,same with mining ore and gas been thier from day dot for me that is what let me see 4 years please your not helping yourself thier,

the next few weeks will tell if the above statement or at least the last part of it cuase the first part it is utter bullshit lying to our faces,will let us know if you are actually going to fix eve or just continue takng resources away from eve after everything dies down a bit.

EVE RULES...... DUST SHOULD BE JUST THAT ******* DUST
OSGOD
Siren's calll
#133 - 2011-10-19 03:18:45 UTC
RavenNyx wrote:
As long as the software keeps a readable log on my system of what it does (1:1 of what has been sent), when it does it, and I have to option to opt out entirely of any type of datacollection, then I'm onboard.


people are so easily foled in allowing corparations who are the biggest data thieves on the planet acces past private security .

people have short memories ,intel realeased a chip on thier cpu`s called dns made everybosy with an intel chip un anomynous , the very fact the that even though this chip could be disabled in windows intel could come into your home with out your permissions enter your computer with out your permission or knowledge and turn it back is in IMO breaking and entering ,burlary with intent .

to me wether you come into my home throught the front or back door or throught the phone line if i do not give my consent then it is burglary with intent ,and the law is way behind in catching up with cyber crime of any kind and companies are using this to thier advantage.

freedom is eternal vigilance,



just becuase people want to know what a program is doing on thier system (thier system not the programs owner) does not make them paraniod just awake to to the leaches on the internet called business
Ashnazg
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#134 - 2011-10-20 21:36:33 UTC
So, yeah... fixing the warping HUD anytime soon?

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Au' Tena
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2011-10-21 13:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Au' Tena
one of the more usefull efforts and devlogs. wel done and have fun with everything you encounter.


just remember that while crash fixing will improve this game 's contuniouty, it does not help finding out the other issues wich make flying so cumbersome or awkward. think of warp tunnels wich somtetimes do show up and sometimes dont, or warping sideways and many other things.

.... and the behavior of all the in flight screens as HUD , the 'where u are at" above left screen, etc

good luck
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#136 - 2011-10-24 00:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Weaselior wrote:
Addergebroed wrote:
CCP Redundancy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Solo Drakban makes a good point - is mandatory reporting being patched out before release, or in winter expansion 1.1


In the short term, if you're worried about this feature then the best workaround would be to block your computer from accessing http://crashes.eveonline.com

This won't cause any issues with Eve, but it will mean that we won't be able to see and fix your crashes.


Why on earth would you not want to help CCP to fix crashes?


Like Solo, I prefer to know what information is being collected from my computer before approving it.





Obvious is so obvious

Lol

And for the best quote ever:

Quote:
... wonders why are you so paranoid about, unless you are doing something you're not supposed to like code-injection
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#137 - 2011-10-24 15:13:25 UTC
Incarana 1.1.3 introduces an option to disable the automatic crash reporting and is scheduled for October 25. The full patch notes are available here.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer