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Todd Zilla
Low Fidelity
#21 - 2012-10-17 20:40:47 UTC
I'd also recommend checking out the 'bringing solo back' podcast and related videos

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42133

These guys will give you a pretty good idea of whats possible with solo/duo pvp once you get your skills up a bit.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#22 - 2012-10-18 00:54:02 UTC


I solo PvP quite a bit actually.... although I'm by no means a new player...

Here's a few comments:

1.) What are you doing this weekend? Agony is having a PvP basic course, that teaches the basics of PvP. If you can be on for the class (& ideally the roam too), I'll pay your entry fee and help you get setup. This is a frigate based course, and details can be found here.
Class: October 20th, 2012 starting at 08:00 hrs Eve time (~4 hours)
Roam: October 21st, 2012 starting at 08:00 hrs Eve time (4+ hours)
PM me soon if you are interested.

2.) Solo PvP exists in EvE, but it's not exactly readily available everywhere. The most readily available Solo PvP is in FW plexes, although you can definitely find it throughout nullsec and lowsec (Note: Some exists in highsec tradehubs, but I don't recommend playing there). Solo PvP is common in FW because the FW plexes allow a controlled arena that only lets in certain classes of ships (like frigs and dessies, or cruisers and below). The biggest drawback to FW solo'ing, is many FW soloists use Fleet boosting alts to give them an advantage. You will also find this in highsec! In nullsec, you have to deal with bubbles and bubblers, which make traveling much more dangerous.

When out solo'ing, realize, people will gang up on you everywhere. Frigates and dessies are the most common solo ships because they are hard to catch unless you want to be caught and the fights typically end fast enough that backup isn't a big issue. I personally like setting up a Small Mobile Warp Disruptor in nullsec pipes and trying to kill ships that land in my bubble. This is a very successful form of Solo PvP, that allows you to find lots of targets (many of which you cannot solo successfully, and many of which you can surprisingly solo successfully despite being in a frig/dessie hull). Stealth bombers or not very common for solo PvP, except for camping nullbear systems and trying to kill ratters in battleships. This form of SB PvP is come and go, where you get lots of hate mail by people that don't know how to deal with a stealth bomber, mixed in with hours and hours of waiting for someone to get up the cahonnes to actually PvE in a system with a cloaker, and then you get a brief fight. A competent PvE-PvP'er can destroy a SB before it destroys them, but nullsec is full of incompetent players!!!
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#23 - 2012-10-18 01:58:50 UTC
Casirio wrote:


again, get into a bomber, its cheap, and easy to train. Go join the Bomber's Bar channel (open participation) blow **** up no strings attached, and go from there.



One of the few good reasons to train and use a bomber. If you want to see how fun a group can be defiantly try this.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-10-18 07:27:37 UTC
Quit looking at battleclinic, KB whoring will only lead you to FotM and that's way off of "adapt or die". Besides, if you look at it, look at it right, Lukka has no kill since february and there's been some rebalancing in the meantime.

Solo PVP is possible in EVE, but involves picking your fights because everything in EVE has a counter. There usually isn't any end-all be-all über-ship and when there is, nerf-bat strikes.

The best way to get into PVP is to find a fairly active low-sec system, get a bunch of T1 frigates and go play with people, you will lose your first ships (likely many even), but most people will be chatting with you if you don't whine and complain but keep hitting on them and ask what you could have done differently.

Best way to make friends in EVE is to shoot people and remain casual about losing.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-10-18 07:58:28 UTC
SUNNY 30-09-2012 wrote:
hehe

im following every post here -
clearly there is a very wide spectrum of opinions on whether solo-pvp is viable

in another post in another thread - i am reading of a person that has five accounts / uses them to " solo "
LoL thats madness

is that crap for real ? mannnnn


Here lies the question, what do you define as solo.

A.) 1 person using only 1 account.

B.) Multiple accounts all operated by the same person.

Depending on your definition it can both be classed as solo.
And yes, multiple accounts isn't uncommon in EVE, max I've seen is someone running 18 accounts at the same time.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#26 - 2012-10-18 10:02:53 UTC
Wow. Terribad posts abound.

Solo pvp is viable. Don't listen to people who tell you that it isn't. They are either lying to you or are idiots.

That said, although solo pvp is probably one of the most rewarding experiences in EVE, being a part of a good corp and going on big fleet runs is also a heck of a lot of fun. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can fleet up on Fridays and solo on Saturdays. Its your game, play it how you want.

Bombers are great ships and can be used in solo pvp. Their engagement profile is somewhat limited due to their lack of tank and weapon types but they also have the potential, when flown and fitted correctly, to wipe out much bigger ships very quickly.

It is usually recommended that you start out experimenting with pvp in frigates or other T1 ships, simply because you will lose a lot of them and at least with insurance you won't go broke overnight.

I wholeheartedly recommend the Agony courses - if anything is going to kickstart your pvp learning curve, its agony's pvp basic.

http://herdingwolves.wordpress.com/

Keno Skir
#27 - 2012-10-18 11:35:18 UTC
This should help :)

OP : Go to Youtube, search for "Eve Is Easy Solo".

There is a very talented guy who demonstrates solo tactics with a variety of different ships including Demios, Zealot and Talos. Also they have videos up explaining all sorts of other useful PvP tactics like clearing tackle and small gang stuff. Really worth a look, i learned a lot from this guy.

I'm gonna suggest the Stealth Bomber still, since it will give you an intro to PvP from the safety of a cloakable hull.
Martin0
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-10-18 12:24:29 UTC
Fit a bunch of the new rebalanced T1 frigates and go (try) to kill people in low sec. Fw plexes are good for this.
You don't need T2 ships (or even t2 fitting) to start kill people.
T1 frigs with t1 fitting are cheeeeeap, you can lose lots without caring :)
SUNNY 30-09-2012
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-10-18 22:50:39 UTC
ty

ty every1

i want to keep this post going
A : because im thirsty for advise
B : i dont see a lot of newbie solo pvp guides in EVE

so far -
in the past 48 hours - i have shifted my plan to start out in stealth bomber

intellectually - i have already shifted - and i see that frigs or bs is a better place to start pvp

SB is gone now - in my view

ty all for the information boosts
ty
ty

currently - the #1 problem i am having is understanding jargon

i am listening to mp3's on solo pvp - but i only understand 25% of the jargon

im going to start up a new char on the account
i have 1 char so far - this one - she is shooting me 20m - 30m / day in isk
my 2nd char is going to be pureeeee pvp
but -
right now -
i dont know whether to start frigs or bs

im going to keep reading / learning

i love you all for giving me awesome help / info
ty
ty
ty

ccp reallyyyyy needs to produce a newbie pvp guide

but - for me - im relying on you - ty every1

pleaseeeee give more info on solo pvp for me - everyyyyy thing you write here i am absorbing
Jim Era
#30 - 2012-10-18 22:52:12 UTC
No CCP should not release one.
You should not make assumptions until you know how the game works.

Wat™

Doddy
Excidium.
#31 - 2012-10-19 09:12:38 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Doddy wrote:
highonpop wrote:

The best solo use for a bomber is to try and catch someone on a gate in nullsec with a well-placed bomb or to catch a ratting ship off guard. But straight up pvp, you are going to die if you are not experienced with a bomber.


Why would someone "wanting to play rogue" want to do straight up pvp?



Well, in your post just before this, you say you killed war targets in high sec with your bomber...howw many people do you know that are "rogue" are going to form a 1 man corp and war dec people and then take out a bomber to fight them in high sec? None that are half way smart...


Erm you brought in hi sec not me. And no one said anything about 1 man corp either tbh, is perfectly possible to solo pvp while being in a corp or alliance. There is pretty much no hi sec pvp other than war decs these days so i don't get what you thought the op would be doing anyway. If you meant the sad rump of can baiting then bomber is great for that too.

Anyway to the op the best way to learn is to just try things. Guides other than video guides are not very useful at all. Video guides are pretty good though and there are a lot of good ones out there. Can baiting in a frig was a great way to learn solo pvp, but ccp has mostly killed that.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-19 09:42:09 UTC
Why does the OP's face make me think of Michael Jackson??

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#33 - 2012-10-19 15:48:38 UTC
I heard there was someone learning to PvP here. You may want to check my sig (↴) for my for-newbies blog about PvP lessons learned the hard way.

So far as being solo, it is wholly possible, but you would be sacrificing:

  1. The advantage of numbers in a gang/fleet
  2. Support (electronic warfare, logistics, etc)
  3. Being able to call in friends to help out if you catch something juicy you can't quite kill
  4. Learning from others with more experience (you can join a PvP corp and solo PvP, but keeping in touch and talking to people helps with the learning)
  5. People to brag to about kills


I strongly recommend finding a PvP corp to join, and giving both solo and gang PvP a try. Note that, especially at low skill points and low real flying experience, solo PvP is extremely difficult. That is not only because you are usually a step behind your enemy in both ship capabilities and flying experience, but also because the enemy may not be alone.

Welcome to Eve!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-10-21 05:02:22 UTC
I'm kind of chuckling about the 25 mil at days end. I can make that in one ratting tick in a T1 fit Talos/Naga.

Mining for money is really a crap way to go about things.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-10-21 11:08:51 UTC
SUNNY 30-09-2012 wrote:
ty

ty every1

i want to keep this post going
A : because im thirsty for advise
B : i dont see a lot of newbie solo pvp guides in EVE

so far -
in the past 48 hours - i have shifted my plan to start out in stealth bomber

intellectually - i have already shifted - and i see that frigs or bs is a better place to start pvp

SB is gone now - in my view

ty all for the information boosts
ty
ty

currently - the #1 problem i am having is understanding jargon

i am listening to mp3's on solo pvp - but i only understand 25% of the jargon

im going to start up a new char on the account
i have 1 char so far - this one - she is shooting me 20m - 30m / day in isk
my 2nd char is going to be pureeeee pvp
but -
right now -
i dont know whether to start frigs or bs

im going to keep reading / learning

i love you all for giving me awesome help / info
ty
ty
ty

ccp reallyyyyy needs to produce a newbie pvp guide

but - for me - im relying on you - ty every1

pleaseeeee give more info on solo pvp for me - everyyyyy thing you write here i am absorbing



I would say, skip the BS thought.

Why:

- They are expensive to learn PvP in.
- They like any other ship have limitations on what they can win (Yes, a frigate can kill a battleship if they know what they are doing).

I'd say, get some frigates and learn with them. You can always get bigger ships and try them out later on and don't be affraid if you don't like them and want to stick with frigates, that's perfectly fine.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-10-21 11:11:30 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I heard there was someone learning to PvP here. You may want to check my sig (↴) for my for-newbies blog about PvP lessons learned the hard way.

So far as being solo, it is wholly possible, but you would be sacrificing:

  1. The advantage of numbers in a gang/fleet
  2. Support (electronic warfare, logistics, etc)
  3. Being able to call in friends to help out if you catch something juicy you can't quite kill
  4. Learning from others with more experience (you can join a PvP corp and solo PvP, but keeping in touch and talking to people helps with the learning)
  5. People to brag to about kills


I strongly recommend finding a PvP corp to join, and giving both solo and gang PvP a try. Note that, especially at low skill points and low real flying experience, solo PvP is extremely difficult. That is not only because you are usually a step behind your enemy in both ship capabilities and flying experience, but also because the enemy may not be alone.

Welcome to Eve!


^ This, completely agree with Petrus about the join a PvP corp to learn stuff. A corp doesn't mean you are forced to fly with others (at least, not if you are in the right corporation), it just means you CAN fly with others when you want.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-22 14:46:44 UTC
Stealth bombers I personally think are more fun in groups because you can do black ops drops which are a blast.

Now I know I posted this else where but this is my comparison of a black ops drops in wow.

Your rogue sneaky sneakys up behind your target Decloaks and saps him, then you open up a portal and before they get away all your other rogue friends leap out of the portal and beat the **** out of the guy.

Thats basically a black ops drop.

We do stuff like that in noir. and noir. Academy, so if your looking for other place for learning pvp in a bomber look us up.

Good solo ships are stuff like interceptors and Assault ships. Train those if you can. Also the electronic attack frigates are a huge force multiplier in fleets.

Dont be afraid to gang up with friends. Solo pvp may be incredibly exhilarating but if your the only one on coms its not as fun.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#38 - 2012-10-22 14:55:32 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Yes, a frigate can kill a battleship if they know what they are doing.

Heh heh heh. Indeed. Technically that was two frigates, but it was also a battleship and a battlecruiser.

The nice part there is, even if we lost our frigates, it wouldn't have been any real loss, since we were both in fits only worth about 1 mil ISK total. That's why frigates are so awesome, and one reason why they are far better than any other ship class for learning PvP.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-10-22 14:58:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Yes, a frigate can kill a battleship if they know what they are doing.

Heh heh heh. Indeed. Technically that was two frigates, but it was also a battleship and a battlecruiser.

The nice part there is, even if we lost our frigates, it wouldn't have been any real loss, since we were both in fits only worth about 1 mil ISK total. That's why frigates are so awesome, and one reason why they are far better than any other ship class for learning PvP.



Aaawh, my eyes. The horror when watching those fits, Petrus you've done EVE a favour by killing those ships.

But point proven, bigger =/= better.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#40 - 2012-10-22 23:43:35 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DjUru5Xw0

If you absolutely must go cloaky, do not discount the Combat CovOps.

PS: Solo PVP is indeed alive and well.
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