EVE General Discussion

That's exactly the problem. PvPers who operate in 0.0 can't make as good a living in 0.0 as they can in hi-sec, because 0.0 is so gimped for everything except shooting red crosses.

And there you come up with the best argument yourself, why high sec needs to be nerfed.

Also..... if you really want to make money outside of high sec and do not have that much time you could always try to create or join a smaller corp with the plan to live in low sec.... but wait... no1 is doing that anymore because its not worth the effort. Why join a corp and trying to secure an area to make decent ISK when you can as well just do it solo under the protection of high sec.

highsec is essential "newbie island" gone wrong

newbie island is a place where people can learn how things work, reduced risk, reward is only the experience you and some currency to prepare you for the rest


if you make newbie island to attractive, people will stay there, slay the "dumb enemy who cant defend himself" again and again because there is no point to leaving it. fighting bigger enemies at more risk with same reward just seems .. wrong and there you are, it is.

the state of high sec is the reason for people staying there, because the rewards are almost the same and the risk next to non-existent.



just outsource the newbie island to some special wormholes where they learn **** and then push them into the cold water.

remove concord entirely and buff faction police a bit.
instead concord puts bounties on people who break the " highsec law", making it a player profession to hunt "criminals down"

If I could dive into low sec, do an hour of exploration, while dodging other players and come out of it with a wedge of ISK significantly higher than I can earn in high then I would do it. If you made enough that getting caught and killed or otherwise prevented from completing 1 or 2 times out of 3 was worth it then people would do it. But you're pretty much guaranteed to get ganked if you try to do anything in low in a PVE ship.

PVE/PVP fits being mutually exlusive apart from a few rare exceptions is another thread entirely.

Anyway, I mostly fly solo (hence the constant need for new ships) which is why what I do works for me. Yeah, yeah, I know, Its a multiplayer game. It's also a sandbox, so you can play how you like. To me multiplayer means you share the world with other real people. Doesn't mean you have to team up with them.

Uh... it's a name. If this is an attempt to annoy me, it won't work. This is my trading alt. Makes no matter to me if he's called F'elch or Gallente Citizen 1209173465680.

You'd end up with a lot of people with no ISK and no ships. Then you'd end up with a lot less people playing the game.

Respect.

Both sides have interesting perspectives that are valid but just don't seem to respect the other side let alone take into serious account what CCP has to do to attract enough players of all types to kept the game profitable and developed.

It is a pity that forum discussions are so polarized and myopic when dealing with such a complicated wide ranging balance issue.

CCP is doing about as good a job as can be done dealing with it while keeping a good amount of the vet core and attracting new players.

I think players spend way too much time and energy hating on each others playstyle not recognizing how important the diversity is to the overall game and lobbying for "their vision" of what EVE should be vs spending time adapting to what EVE is.

This is not to say when they mess up really badly like INCARNA that people should not speak up, they should. But this they made this or that change for this or that group now attack that group thing is pretty useless.

I will admit that it has become a daily source of comical relief.

Carry on.

So run level 3s instead. You can pay for a T1 cruiser for PvP roaming easily enough with level 3s.


It's not boring if there is risk. You ask people to help, knowing there is a high chance of being ganked. You end up with mission running corps and alliances with local intel channels, PvPers guarding against gankers, gankers looking for ganks. All in all you will make friends and always have people chatting on comms or various channels and you will even get to see some action, bringing PvP back into high-sec.

It sounds quite fun to me.

Remove concord and faction police in high sec?!?!

Sure, but first 6 months of the removal to deny docking ships at any outpost / station in null

Lets so who leaves first

Just putting this out there, but maybe the real problem isn't so much the hi-sec dwellers, but how many blues you have and how risk averse you are yourself?

As an example: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Branch/UQ9-3C#npc24

With the exceptions of 1IX, W-4 and C-4 (station systems) not much ratting/isk making is going on outside of the dead end systems that are easy to lock down with bubbled entry points.

And it's not all about true sec either, take BKG for example, station system -0.67 (29 NPC kills - at post time) and compare that with C-4, also a station system -0.65 (3345 NPC kills - at post time) The difference is 4 entry points to BKG vs 2 for C-4 (4, but ignore the secured pocket and single dead end)

So what you really want is your nullsec isk printing safe havens, and then easy access to a target rich environment of noobs to shoot when you feel like PVP.

tl:dr;
hi-sec dwellers aren't the problem, the size of your blue list is