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PVE Golem or train Vargu for Caldari faction ?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#21 - 2012-10-18 07:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I fly my Golem with T2 cruise missiles.

Raven Navy Issue: 7 launchers / (1 - 5 * 5% RoF bonus) = 9.33 launchers equivalent

Golem = 4 launchers * 100% bonus = 8 launchers equivalent

Golem losses 25% damage to every defender missile when using cruise, but not when using torps. RNI with cruise loses 14%, but does more DPS overall.
tib0
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-10-18 10:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: tib0
Raiko Osburn wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Raiko Osburn wrote:
Oh, you got me wrong my friend. I will gladly give up 20% dps for 100% more profit thanks to loot and salvage. I did calculations few weeks ago. I haul and sell the loot from missions every time Its value rise above 200 million. In most cases it is around the same amount I gain from bounties and mission rewards. Machariel is faster killer, but not better ISK machine.


You're either forgetting or severely undervaluing your LP gains. What conversion rate are you using?


If mach does 20% more damage, lets assume, he also finishs mission 20% faster (ideal situation). So for every 4 missions I do in Vargur, machariel does 5 mission. So 1 mission more and its like 4000 LP+-. Is 4000 LP more than loot and salvage from 4 missions? I don't think so. But again, I can be wrong. So feel free to correct me.

Also I don't do much with LP. Mostly storing them and buying implants, ammo, gyros and tracking enhancers for my personal use (PvP life is expensive :) ). I could make some ISK out of it, but **** happens all the time. It is better to have some backup.


Your calculation is correct, only if you can salvage all wrecks while you finish killing rats...if you stay in mission after you finish rats because of salvaging, then you are loosing more LPs that 20%.

I am using mach for missions and i am fine...maybe i will try Vargur, but i dont want to spend time training Marauders to lvl5
Raiko Osburn
Advanced Resource Acquisition and Exploration
#23 - 2012-10-18 11:00:41 UTC
tib0 wrote:

Your calculation is correct, only if you can salvage all wrecks while you finish killing rats...if you stay in mission after you finish rats because of salvaging, then you are loosing more LPs that 20%.

I am using mach for missions and i am fine...maybe i will try Vargur, but i dont want to spend time training Marauders to lvl5


Ofc you can salvage wrecks and shoot rats at the same time. It still takes you some time to chew through 1mil bounty BS. Meanwhile you can clean up the mess. Multitasking is why marauders are best ISK makers.

Forget numbers, play with ideas, look for solutions.

mama guru
Yazatas.
#24 - 2012-10-22 17:10:43 UTC
Raiko Osburn wrote:
tib0 wrote:

Your calculation is correct, only if you can salvage all wrecks while you finish killing rats...if you stay in mission after you finish rats because of salvaging, then you are loosing more LPs that 20%.

I am using mach for missions and i am fine...maybe i will try Vargur, but i dont want to spend time training Marauders to lvl5


Ofc you can salvage wrecks and shoot rats at the same time. It still takes you some time to chew through 1mil bounty BS. Meanwhile you can clean up the mess. Multitasking is why marauders are best ISK makers.



Marauders are better for single account mission running. But if you have two accounts you're much better off going with 2x Machariels or Tengus or something like that over a salvaging alt simply because the completion time gets cut in half.

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Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-10-25 23:38:52 UTC
mama guru wrote:

Marauders are better for single account mission running. But if you have two accounts you're much better off going with 2x Machariels or Tengus or something like that over a salvaging alt simply because the completion time gets cut in half.



Blablablablabla.....

it doesn't mean mission will take you 50% less time just because you have 2 dps ships in it. ;)

And now more serious: Sell Golem, buy real ship.
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