EVE General Discussion

it would seem after a flurry of posting he's resorted to calling somebody stupid and going afk without the ability to answer the most basic of questions.

how shocking.

We aren't discussing a 1v1 though, we are discussing tournament play (although he was making sweeping generalities about all EVE combat situations).

You have to coordinate with and be situationally aware of several people on each side, and they aren't all "units" doing the same thing, they are individual people working towards the same goal in often radically different ways.... in ships with radically different abilities... that can be fit to have completely different capabilities from what you would expect.

Your follow up makes an excellent point as well though.

If a WoW players says EVE PVP takes no skill i would just laugh and say "Oh You're so Cute!" its kinda like a ****** calling you a ****** its not offensive in the least. When an EVE player leaves EVE to play WoW the average IQ of both communities goes up.


I mean, watching your relative positon and velocity, target velocity (<-- thats direction of motion and speed fyi), transversal, cap usage, incoming and outgoing DPS, tracking, overheating, incoming reps, tank, range, specific module range, optimal for turrets, maintaining affective range. Now combine that with tactics and manuevers depending on the situation, then coordinating with friendly fleet, also all the other enemies... it goes on and on.

You know what screw it. Orbit F1, confirming yes WoW is harder it has more buttons!

If PVP is so easy, how come I can name 20 solo pvper's who will **** you in a one on one fight? (same ship, same mods and same skills)

You sir should blob less with you buddies and actually try to get a good one on one fight. All the stuff you said is so terribadwrong

Yes, this all happens by "fortune" or luck. Whereas mashing buttons faster than the other guy or downloading an aimbot is skill, right?

The most important factor in successful PvP is knowing when to fight and when to run. Luck has absolutely nothing to do with this, except the odd time you manage to get away when you shouldn't have, or kill when you shouldn't have. Usually it's down to who assesses the situation correctly first, and who punches who in the face hardest first. After that it's all over, usually in less than a minute.

Actually you bring up a good point.

While there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting on the tournament with past/current players being the target audience, I feel that CCP is trying to reach people that do not play EVE.

If that is the case there are two main things that CCP will have to pay extra attention to.

Commentators: Currently the commentators do a pretty fair job of explaining things people unfamiliar with the game, while still providing a layer of insight to those with deeper knowledge. They may have to shift their approach a bit with an emphasis to a brand new audience though. It might be a good idea for the commentators to be able to see a screen with all of the camera feeds as well as their own. Sometimes the camera men spot something the commentators haven't yet.

Camera Work: Right now there is a little too much tendency to pull out and "watch the squares", although at times the camera work is superb. Perhaps CCP should work up a set of camera controls specific to the tournament that allows the camera men more options to easily get those "action shots" that are so iconic of EVE. I also think that at least one camera man should be paying very close attention to covering what the commentators are currently talking about, while there is at least one more whose main task is to cover the most intense action or unusual event regardless of the commentators focus. This should provide a lot of energy and make it easier for the audience to follow along.

EVE has beautiful graphics and effects, and the depth of tactic's and strategies in a tournament are facinating. Lets make sure those qualities are shown off to new eyes in the most favorable light.

I suppose what I am trying to suggest above is that perhaps some more advanced camera control options be developed strictly for the camera crew. Something along the lines of the advanced camera controls we have available now, but with more options to quickly line up those dramatic shots.

Perhaps even a drag and drop interface to bring the focus in on two ships, either equally or to put one in the foreground and looking towards the other... and be able to reverse that view with a click.

Or a flyby view of a specific ship or group of ships with click.

Or perhaps the ability to drag a box around a group of ships to focus in on them.

A special interface just for the camera work.

As Mr. Epeen pointed out, if you are trying to capture the imagination of non-EVE players the fewer "boxes" filling the shot the better. That's what the mini map view at the bottom is for.

If this were done it could very well take the coverage well beyond the level of what you see watching most eSports.

It's being compared as an e-sport and in terms of skill demand.

Its amazing the number of derps who just focus on the part of the thread that makes them rage and ignore what the thread is actually about. Not saying you are doing entirely.

Can you honestly say that EVE is near as skill demanding as starcraft, where pro matches can last over an hour and the players are maintining 300 actions per minute on their keyboard? Have you ever made 3 command centers/hatcherys/nexuesus in your life?

Also, gold is pretty bad.

I was diamond with random last I played.

I'm here to bash OP.

Are you serious?!

http://dagobah.net/flash/successful_troll_2.swf

If eve pvp is so easy why dont u just enter the tourney and take the money?

Right because you don't have the skill level required, the one you claim doesn't exist.