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Do we need AFK indicator?

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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-10-10 15:35:29 UTC
Remove local..................
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#42 - 2012-10-12 11:21:31 UTC
Just stick to high sec, nullbear.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#43 - 2012-10-13 15:51:50 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:

But remember, the op wants you to have a 30 second period where you cannot do anything once you return to your keyboard. So basically, you have to either type in a random chat every 30 minutes. Why do I see an increase in sales of the toy bird homer Simpson used in the episode where he gained weight to work at home.


Off topic and Real World true story

Many years ago I worked for a very strange, large, beauroractic (and now dead) company in Antwerp, Belgium, in the days of 16 bit computing.

One of my tasks was to compile all the code once every few weeks and then do a massive data run. This was fine but when the screen saver came on the run, which would take hours, would stop. The company decided that it was a sackable offence to remove the screensaver so I had to do something similar to keep the computer running.

I actually had the mouse wrapped around an orbital fan which dragged the mouse in a circle so I could leave the thing running for a few hours whilst doing something else.

Then one day security came and turned off the fan because 'no-one was there'...

Mind you, I am not surprised that the firm went bust; they used to have fire drills for one floor at a time because they knew that they couldn't get everyone out of the doors at the same time...

Ah, great times.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-10-13 19:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Raiko Osburn wrote:
So what do you think? Do we need AFK indicator? Imagine you could tell if someone is AFK or not. How much would this feature change your EVE experience?


Not WoW.

But Jesus would I have fun terrorizing the **** out of systems with an AFK Tag- This would be a silent buff to solo/small gang PvP as it would let us know exactly who is docked up and who is actually active.

Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Just stick to high sec, nullbear.


Everytime I see this, I laugh uncontrollably, stick to LowSec scrublord.
Jalabaster
Aether Ventures
#45 - 2012-10-16 14:42:30 UTC
lolz. There's already server down. Think of it as a 23 hour afk flag.

Seriously? A 30 second cooldown before you can act? Someone is afraid of something in local channel.

Personally I think it would be cool if nullsec entities had to have some sort of infrastructure set up to even get local channel in null.

I remember one of my very first thoughts logging into EVE. "WTF is this local channel crap?"

"when a ship is blown up, the pilot usually winds up replacing it. This drives the economy, steadies inflation, and gives industrialists a reason to manufacture. In contrast, creating isk while never losing any items has the unfortunate reverse effect on the market, plus it isn't really any fun." Jala

Raiko Osburn
Advanced Resource Acquisition and Exploration
#46 - 2012-10-17 08:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiko Osburn
Jalabaster wrote:
lolz. There's already server down. Think of it as a 23 hour afk flag.

Seriously? A 30 second cooldown before you can act? Someone is afraid of something in local channel.

Personally I think it would be cool if nullsec entities had to have some sort of infrastructure set up to even get local channel in null.

I remember one of my very first thoughts logging into EVE. "WTF is this local channel crap?"




Guys, think about idea, not about numbers. But some people will always play dumb and decide to throw away whole idea cause one number is not ok. Clap clap. Forget numbers, play with ideas. Look for solutions. If you want to decline idea, state reason based on more than just a model number. And at last, this thread is not about cloaky afkers. Its about AFK flag in general. Not only for tactical purpose, but also for social purpose.

Forget numbers, play with ideas, look for solutions.

Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#47 - 2012-10-17 18:37:23 UTC
I would like an afk indicator, but it should only be viewable in corp chat.

No good deed goes unpunished

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#48 - 2012-10-17 19:18:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Raiko Osburn wrote:
Jalabaster wrote:
lolz. There's already server down. Think of it as a 23 hour afk flag.

Seriously? A 30 second cooldown before you can act? Someone is afraid of something in local channel.

Personally I think it would be cool if nullsec entities had to have some sort of infrastructure set up to even get local channel in null.

I remember one of my very first thoughts logging into EVE. "WTF is this local channel crap?"




Guys, think about idea, not about numbers. But some people will always play dumb and decide to throw away whole idea cause one number is not ok. Clap clap. Forget numbers, play with ideas. Look for solutions. If you want to decline idea, state reason based on more than just a model number. And at last, this thread is not about cloaky afkers. Its about AFK flag in general. Not only for tactical purpose, but also for social purpose.



You seem too attached to this so called good idea. You talk about looking for solutions, to what? If people are afk, why does it matter to you? Why are you suggesting the additional load on the server because every so often the server has to check if people are present? What social value is there? If my friend is afk, he won't respond to my chat. No need to add extra code.

Also, as pointed out, there are simple ways to make it seem like someone is present.

So really, instead of asking us to talk about ideas, give us a valid reason to have an afk flag, a valid reason tgat justifies the code time required and any extra overhead in server checks this would impose.

Also, if this is not about afk cloakers, then would your solution still be fine if having any active module negated the afk flag?

Lastly, what gives you the right to know if I am afk or not? Sure, you may argue it is a useful bit of knowledge, however what gives you the right to that knowledge? Perhaps I went off to the bathroom and don't want an afk flag indicating it was a long break? What if I do not want the war target camping me in station to know I stopped playing to watch tv. Perhaps I find it useful for them to waste their time camping me in. If they know when I'm present, I can't as easily bore them into dropping the war dec.

So really, by what right do you claim this knowledge should be available to all?
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#49 - 2012-10-17 19:58:31 UTC
Ism't this AFK flag sone sort of acronym for "Hello, I Won't Fight Back. Gank Me Please" ?

Except that I can't get the letters to fit.


- Myfanwy

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?

Raiko Osburn
Advanced Resource Acquisition and Exploration
#50 - 2012-10-17 20:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Raiko Osburn
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Raiko Osburn wrote:
Jalabaster wrote:
lolz. There's already server down. Think of it as a 23 hour afk flag.

Seriously? A 30 second cooldown before you can act? Someone is afraid of something in local channel.

Personally I think it would be cool if nullsec entities had to have some sort of infrastructure set up to even get local channel in null.

I remember one of my very first thoughts logging into EVE. "WTF is this local channel crap?"




Guys, think about idea, not about numbers. But some people will always play dumb and decide to throw away whole idea cause one number is not ok. Clap clap. Forget numbers, play with ideas. Look for solutions. If you want to decline idea, state reason based on more than just a model number. And at last, this thread is not about cloaky afkers. Its about AFK flag in general. Not only for tactical purpose, but also for social purpose.



You seem too attached to this so called good idea. You talk about looking for solutions, to what? If people are afk, why does it matter to you? Why are you suggesting the additional load on the server because every so often the server has to check if people are present? What social value is there? If my friend is afk, he won't respond to my chat. No need to add extra code.

Also, as pointed out, there are simple ways to make it seem like someone is present.

So really, instead of asking us to talk about ideas, give us a valid reason to have an afk flag, a valid reason tgat justifies the code time required and any extra overhead in server checks this would impose.

Also, if this is not about afk cloakers, then would your solution still be fine if having any active module negated the afk flag?

Lastly, what gives you the right to know if I am afk or not? Sure, you may argue it is a useful bit of knowledge, however what gives you the right to that knowledge? Perhaps I went off to the bathroom and don't want an afk flag indicating it was a long break? What if I do not want the war target camping me in station to know I stopped playing to watch tv. Perhaps I find it useful for them to waste their time camping me in. If they know when I'm present, I can't as easily bore them into dropping the war dec.

So really, by what right do you claim this knowledge should be available to all?


Excuse me? I just put out an idea that AFK flag could be visible. I have never said it has to be. Thats the difference betwean discussion and statement. Now I am ready to see and think about others opinons as long as they really think and add something valuable into discussion. Not just attacking people for their ideas as you do. Hawk.

So far, manualy set AFK flag for corp chat channel is a good idea. Noone had an argument with it.

Forget numbers, play with ideas, look for solutions.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#51 - 2012-10-18 01:13:19 UTC
More free Intel from local? No thanks.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-10-18 01:20:27 UTC
there is absolutely no way EVE can tell if someone is actually AFK or not without a webcam on every monitor and someone watching each cam.
the idea is not only silly but inherently unenforcable.

in fact, it would serve to benefit to 'afk' people who are in fact not afk since their targets would assume they are not at the screen.

There is no Bob.

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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#53 - 2012-10-18 13:57:10 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
there is absolutely no way EVE can tell if someone is actually AFK or not without a webcam on every monitor and someone watching each cam.
the idea is not only silly but inherently unenforcable.

in fact, it would serve to benefit to 'afk' people who are in fact not afk since their targets would assume they are not at the screen.


I would totally scout out an active belt in a cloaky, sit and wait for the afk flag, let them come out of their hidey-holes like scared cockroaches and ambush them....

Actually, just cycling afk / non-afk every five minutes would be enough to totally mess with their operations, moreso than the current system. They'd be undocking and redocking so often they'd get nothing done.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-10-18 14:13:38 UTC
the only good thing you can do to this thread is lock it up .
Senek4
Z Technologies
#55 - 2012-11-06 23:23:22 UTC
AFK is a must in this game, however i would like the option to AFK while shutting down the computer
would be a step in saving electricity on large scale.
Kazim Scumling
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-06 23:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazim Scumling
--Edited to rephrase better--

Can you give a few examples of those games with public AFK indicators? Of course I haven't play all the games, but I can't recall any on the ones that I tried.

And on the games where afk players disconnected automatically, generally there are easy work-arounds for them.
Kazim Scumling
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-11-07 00:43:43 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Remove local..................


Btw this would solve all the problems :D
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#58 - 2012-11-07 00:48:48 UTC
Raiko Osburn wrote:
Players should not affect PvP game life when not playing.


What you are advocating is getting rid of emergent gameplay. The emergent gameplay is using an AFK cloaked character (either alt of main) in order to wage psychological warfare on the people in that system. It is a very effective tool at that. I had a friend that used to log in, go to an enemy home system and cloak up his ship (I think it was a tempest) then go off to work. When he returned he would manually scan down the belts using Dscan and inevitably catch someone ratting in a belt and blow them away. (This was before anomalies were introduced.)

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#59 - 2012-11-07 08:15:52 UTC
Raiko Osburn wrote:
All online multiplayer games I have ever played have AFK indicator, so why not EVE?

*I don't want to start another threat about cloaky AFKers in null. No, this is not about being cloaky and AFK. This is about being AFK in general*

Tactical advantage of being AFK without others knowing it is quite powerfull tool. You can greatly affect gameplay of others and you don't have to play at all. So is it valid tactics? Is it ok, that EVE life and real life are so connected? Not everyone can have his computer online all day. Not everyone will do it even if they could for many reason starting with energy consumption and ending with greener planet Big smile

So what do you think? Do we need AFK indicator? Imagine you could tell if someone is AFK or not. How much would this feature change your EVE experience?


Liar liar pants on fire, this is absolutely about cloakers in null and everyone knows it.

You want to know if you're 100% safe to rat/mine in null.

We don't need an afk indicator because it doesn't provide any kind of benefit at all (except for filthy nullbear scum who have no business being in 0.0 to begin with) and does nothing but boost the already overpowered and broken local intel tool
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-11-07 12:37:02 UTC
Dude AFK yourself... permanently.

Also.. NO. That is all.

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...