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Long range for Comet?

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Shaira Teloni
#1 - 2012-10-17 19:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaira Teloni
I favor something that can avoid close range. I want to be able to retreat quickly and keep at distant range to whittle down any baddies.

This is what I will be in until I get into a Stealth Bomber.

I am overwhelmed with choices and I'm looking for help in suggestions for fitting my Comet. It seems that the Railguns may be my only choice for a max distance of 12k or so. What can I look at to get the longest and most effectiveness out of this?

I want to utilize my Drones as well. This ship will be mainly use for scanning down Radar sites. So, with a Cloak and Probe Launcher, I will be limited to one long range weapon.

I am looking at fitting two Warp Stabilizers to help ensure a quick escape, then attack from range so I can salvage the sight.

At least that is what I have in mind. BTW, this is not for this character.
Jim Era
#2 - 2012-10-17 19:30:49 UTC
So why post on this character?

Wat™

Shaira Teloni
#3 - 2012-10-17 19:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaira Teloni
Jim Era wrote:
So why post on this character?

Why not?

It was what I had loaded into the forum.

What does that have to do with anything? I just thought it would be noted as to steer suggestions away about Min Ships.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-10-17 19:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
I am looking at fitting two Warp Stabilizers to help ensure a quick escape, then attack from range so I can salvage the sight.


Losing two low slots of your four will gimp your fit in a ridiculous way. Fitting a cloak and a probe launcher both will cut your damage in half as you will only have one weapon.

There is quite simply no way that you could possibly fit those things and have a fit that is passable. Don't bother with warp core stabs or a cloak...Use your directional scanner, local, and your ship's innate agility to avoid being ganked instead.

Quote:
I favor something that can avoid close range. I want to be able to retreat quickly and keep at distant range to whittle down any baddies.


Assuming you mean lowsec radar sites...You won't really get enough range on a comet to range tank. Cruiser rats (your main threat) will hit out fine to any reasonable range you could get on a rail comet...And if you did lose a ton of DPS by using Spike or something, your angular velocity would be low enough that the long range cruiser rats would melt you.

If you plan on using a comet to engage cruisers, you're going to be primarily using your size to avoid damage. Range may be useful to avoid damage from frigate hulls and give you flexibility, but you aren't going to be seriously able to snipe effectively.

I'd use something like this...replace the energized adaptive nano membrane with a hardener specific to the rat type you're fighting.

[Federation Navy Comet, Comet, PVE]

Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
Codebreaker I
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Core Probe Launcher I

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3


Railguns aren't going to have enough range to make up for the reduction in damage. This should comfortably deal with any lowsec radar site...It's very CPU-bound, though, to the point that even with max skills you'll need a 1% CPU implant. You can replace the damage control with a co-processor, one of the rigs with a CPU rig(small processor overclocking unit), or drop the Neutrons down to Ions if that's a problem.


Anyway, if kiting with railguns is your thing, you should train Caldari. A Harpy could probably do what you describe reasonably well...an Ishkur might work too for this application.
Shaira Teloni
#5 - 2012-10-17 19:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaira Teloni
Thank you Kahega Amielden, for that very informative post. I can't express enough gratitude.

This is why I need the expert input as to even suggest the attempt to be viable, in the first place. The Comet drew my attention for the speed. I want to scan down the sites but still be able to get out of town, should trouble come around.

I am only a week and a half into EVE and don't really know what to expect out there. I will take your suggestion to heart.

EDIT : A Harpy?

EDIT 2 : Ha! Nevrmnd...Ugh Harpy is actually a ship. I thought it was short for something....
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-10-17 23:15:06 UTC
Quote:
This is why I need the expert input as to even suggest the attempt to be viable, in the first place. The Comet drew my attention for the speed. I want to scan down the sites but still be able to get out of town, should trouble come around.

I am only a week and a half into EVE and don't really know what to expect out there. I will take your suggestion to heart.


Especially if you have weak scanning skills (but IMO, a good idea regardless), you should probably go around in a scanning ship and pick up some bookmarks to sites before coming back to run them in a combat ship. With a dedicated scanship you can use gravity capacitor upgrade rigs as well as that 5/10% per level ship bonus. There's some time lost to reshipping, but you can actually find (and run) the sites faster.


You are correct that the Comet is very fast - the faction frigates generally are. Though slower, assault frigates, being frigate hulls, are usually fast enough to evade trouble if you're on your toes, though, and can also power through radar sites just fine.


I should warn you, though, that you shouldn't use a ship that you don't have the ISK to replace, particularly when you're new. It takes a bit of time to get adjusted to using the directional scanner, local, and just figuring out where it's safe to explore and where it isn't. In the mean time (and even after that), ganks will probably happen.

Shaira Teloni
#7 - 2012-10-17 23:46:11 UTC
After my last post, I have been rethinking my approach. While ISK is not going to be an issue, I feel that I may just be trying to get too big too fast. I can easily sell the Comet for now and focus on other means.

I like the scan, mark and return thing. However, is that any more risky, in that the site may be visited by other players before I get back...or should that even be an issue?

Thank you again for the great advice.
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-18 00:21:32 UTC
I think if you really want to range-tank on a Gallente frigate, your best bet will be to skill up drones and wait for the Retribution patch (although drone management might be more tricky after that patch.) The Imicus will field 4 light drones and the Tristan 5. There's also the drone destroyer coming up which will have a slightly beefier tank. Scout Drone Operation IV will give you an effective range out to 40K. With decent drone skills, hobs can chew through many cruisers. (Slower than hammerheads.) The Ishkur is a T2 frigate droneboat that might be worth skilling into if you go that direction.

You can also use a Catalyst and take advantage of its optimum range bonus, although it isn't ideal. I've run a rail-fit catalyst through combat sites with cruisers.

In highsec, I prefer an all-in-one exploration fit because I've had people blitz sites out from under me.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#9 - 2012-10-18 00:44:23 UTC
Quote:
I like the scan, mark and return thing. However, is that any more risky, in that the site may be visited by other players before I get back...or should that even be an issue?


it could also be visited by players while you're trying to scan it down, slowly, due to using an unbonused scanning ship.

In general if you're not exploring in extremely high-traffic areas you shouldn't run into other explorers all that often.

Quote:
After my last post, I have been rethinking my approach. While ISK is not going to be an issue, I feel that I may just be trying to get too big too fast. I can easily sell the Comet for now and focus on other means.


If you have friends/corpmates (and you probably should find some if you don't already), running around lowsec in t1 frigates is a good way to figure out what's going on without kicking you in the nuts financially when you die.

Shaira Teloni
#10 - 2012-10-18 00:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaira Teloni
I'm running a Catalyst right now for exploration. It is fit for everything but I was going to drop all but Radars and go with a smaller and faster ship...so I thought.

I will remain in hi sec for now. I want to try to go lo sec, but I want to get some skills and maybe do a few security missions to get some combat experience.

The Imicus is probably what I will just run for now. I have a hard time scanning down sites and the extra bonus will come in handy. I just don't know where to turn at the moment. Which is a good thing...in a way...as that means the game is providing the entertainment that I need. When choices get limited, the game gets stale.

EDIT : As far as friends and the whole Corp thing....I feel more in my click as a solo player. As a matter of fact, I close the chat down when I log on. I tend to be somewhat of a loner in RL and come here from SP RPGs. Had it not been brought to my attention that EVE could be played alone, I would have never downloaded the client.

I just look at the other players as NPCs with extremely souped up AIs...lol.
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-18 00:54:18 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
I like the scan, mark and return thing. However, is that any more risky, in that the site may be visited by other players before I get back...or should that even be an issue?


it could also be visited by players while you're trying to scan it down, slowly, due to using an unbonused scanning ship.


The difference is about ~20 seconds per site, of which, only one part benefits from frigate bonuses.
Shaira Teloni
#12 - 2012-10-18 01:25:36 UTC
Davith en Divalone wrote:
The difference is about ~20 seconds per site, of which, only one part benefits from frigate bonuses.

20 sec? Is that all. It takes me upwards of 30-45 minutes to nail one down right now. I suck....Sad

Maybe if I get my skill levels up and get where I can use more than 4 or 5 probes...or maybe watch some better videos on scanning.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#13 - 2012-10-18 01:49:34 UTC
Shift-click and drag to move all probes.

Alt-shift-click and drag on a corner probe to move all probes in towards your center one when slimming your scan.

Maybe not the best wording but try it you'll see what i mean.
Shaira Teloni
#14 - 2012-10-18 02:21:14 UTC
I can move them all at once and draw them all in at the same time.

My issue is I end up loosing the signal for some reason....*cries in hands*
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-18 03:07:20 UTC
If you leave high sec DO NOT CLOSE LOCAL. It is one of your most important tools for Intel on who is on system. When I'm roaming about the first thing I do is use that 60 sec gate cloak to check the security status, corp/alliance, toon age & bio on all the folks in the system. I use it to assess who I can handle and who I should run from. From there out I keep a sharp eye tuned to local to see who comes and goes.

If you're looking for a good all-in-one explo ship try the vexor. Great range with rail II's, a utility high for the probe launcher and lots of space for drones. Its also not so slow that you can't gtfo when you need to.
Jesuis Cache-Cache
#16 - 2012-10-18 07:59:50 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If you leave high sec DO NOT CLOSE LOCAL. It is one of your most important tools for Intel on who is on system. When I'm roaming about the first thing I do is use that 60 sec gate cloak to check the security status, corp/alliance, toon age & bio on all the folks in the system. I use it to assess who I can handle and who I should run from. From there out I keep a sharp eye tuned to local to see who comes and goes.

If you're looking for a good all-in-one explo ship try the vexor. Great range with rail II's, a utility high for the probe launcher and lots of space for drones. Its also not so slow that you can't gtfo when you need to.

After reading this post I looked into a Vextor and even watched a video on a suggested Explorer fit. I must say that it is very attractive.

Looking forward for my explorer main, that Pirate Faction...Gila (I think it was). That thing is a tank with a big belly for drones. It is almost 1/2 the cargohold of the Vextor though. Still, a serious tank for sure. At least from a noob view it seems so.

A lot of the cruisers are eye catching for exploration. I see me skilling my guy towards that. I like the Tank n Drone gig as well.

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