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Why do EvE Players complain non stop ?

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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#161 - 2012-10-16 23:28:15 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
"A vet is not someone from 2007 or 2006.... a vet is one of the guys who started back in 2003.. someone who has been there the whole time while EvE has been growing and tagged along in the process."

Can't resist....this is my favorite type of people. If you aren't here at the beginning of the game, you will NEVER be a vet. LOL Talk about bitter old vets gone wild!!


I know, in the spirit of the thread I am supposed to argue with you but I agree. As an '05 EVE player I consider myself to be a Vet. Not a beta player but in many ways we have been playing Dust 514 beta since Dominion so there are plenty of Vets. (It's when the Sov stopped being about moons and started being about planets, in preparation for our free to play over lords)

'03 Vets have no experience with Capitals I don't have, They weren't in the game.
They knew EVE when it didn't have Concord. That should prove useful.
Even a lot of my Vet experience is useless. I knew how to avoid an AoE doomsday. So?
I know how to get around warp to 15km off the gate. And that helps me how?

To the OP, the question isn't really why we complain but why are we so bitter?
Get back to me in 5 or 6 years if you are still here.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#162 - 2012-10-17 14:27:33 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning


Aren't you moaning about it by posting this? Sorry if someone else has pointed this out, but i cant be bothered to read through all the pages of moans *grumble grumble grumble*

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#163 - 2012-10-17 14:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Ioci wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
"A vet is not someone from 2007 or 2006.... a vet is one of the guys who started back in 2003.. someone who has been there the whole time while EvE has been growing and tagged along in the process."

Can't resist....this is my favorite type of people. If you aren't here at the beginning of the game, you will NEVER be a vet. LOL Talk about bitter old vets gone wild!!


I know, in the spirit of the thread I am supposed to argue with you but I agree. As an '05 EVE player I consider myself to be a Vet. Not a beta player but in many ways we have been playing Dust 514 beta since Dominion so there are plenty of Vets. (It's when the Sov stopped being about moons and started being about planets, in preparation for our free to play over lords)

'03 Vets have no experience with Capitals I don't have, They weren't in the game.
They knew EVE when it didn't have Concord. That should prove useful.
Even a lot of my Vet experience is useless. I knew how to avoid an AoE doomsday. So?
I know how to get around warp to 15km off the gate. And that helps me how?

To the OP, the question isn't really why we complain but why are we so bitter?
Get back to me in 5 or 6 years if you are still here.


Beta-vet here. EVE has always had CONCORD (though since then they've had more buffs than Mr. Miyagi's car). Especially the Yulai incident was a big eye-opener for CCP.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#164 - 2012-10-17 14:49:50 UTC
Nolindor Blamed wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning


Eve's system actually makes it so older players drive away newer players, instead of attracting. Where newer players are more of the "product" instead of the "consumer".

Now a few players stay, probably, but most of the new players will cancel their subscriptions and leave without a second thought. this makes the subscription base less volatile, but also MUCH smaller.

Is this a good or bad business model?



Agreed. Something needs to be done about these guys who just sit forever in NPC corps and tell new players that they can never succeed by taking any risks. They're a cancer.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#165 - 2012-10-17 15:01:55 UTC
oh dear lord this thread is still going

wow lol

u people really should understand when u get trolled.

Fail tbfh, fail
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#166 - 2012-10-17 15:02:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Nolindor Blamed wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
It's a fairly simple question

You all know, no matter how much we deny it, the game is slowly dieing. The amount of people on during the week is barley topping 30k, now with EvE and the amount of systems, this is simply not enough players.

So why is it when CCP try to *dumb down* and make high sec *safer* for new players

You all start complaining like children?

Grow up, do you want EvE to dissapear or don't you care? We need more players, alot more players.

Quit your moaning


Eve's system actually makes it so older players drive away newer players, instead of attracting. Where newer players are more of the "product" instead of the "consumer".

Now a few players stay, probably, but most of the new players will cancel their subscriptions and leave without a second thought. this makes the subscription base less volatile, but also MUCH smaller.

Is this a good or bad business model?



Agreed. Something needs to be done about these guys who just sit forever in NPC corps and tell new players that they can never succeed by taking any risks. They're a cancer.


This i will agree to
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#167 - 2012-10-17 15:09:38 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Merkal Aubauch wrote:
Yea well numbers are going down cos CCP is killing gameplay for old players. Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(



Sad to say but true, Eve is a bit boring at the moment (last 18months)


Gee, wonder why.
When most of null is blue to one another. Yes, I know you are fighting PL, and the goons are fighting NC.
But fundamentally, there is far more peace in null than there was 18 months ago.


lolwut? Virtually all of sov space is involved in the current conflicts. And NPC 0.0 is as full of the old ultraviolence as it ever was.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#168 - 2012-10-17 15:13:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Merkal Aubauch wrote:
Yea well numbers are going down cos CCP is killing gameplay for old players. Sad to say but f**king D3 is more enjoyable than eve these days :(



Sad to say but true, Eve is a bit boring at the moment (last 18months)


Gee, wonder why.
When most of null is blue to one another. Yes, I know you are fighting PL, and the goons are fighting NC.
But fundamentally, there is far more peace in null than there was 18 months ago.


lolwut? Virtually all of sov space is involved in the current conflicts. And NPC 0.0 is as full of the old ultraviolence as it ever was.


i agree with ur earlier point but this above statement is absolute bs mate

most of the major alliances make huge coaltions n blue everyone, its boring, pvp is boring now

!"
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#169 - 2012-10-17 18:44:14 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:

i agree with ur earlier point but this above statement is absolute bs mate

most of the major alliances make huge coaltions n blue everyone, its boring, pvp is boring now

!"


Caused by the ease and low cost of the extreme projection of power and logistics. Without it alliances would be forced to fight their neighbors again, instead of curb-stomping some small alliance on the other side of the galaxy with their NAP-train (who will just run and hide, ofcourse).

A big increase in the consumption of jump-fuel for capitals would solve a LOT of problems in null, low-sec and even empire, because many of them are directly or indirectly related to the excessive power-projection of (super)capitals and the ridiculous low-cost, low-risk, low-effort logistics of jump-freighters.

But it's a foul-tasting medicine that CCP will sadly never force upon the null-bears.

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Ryhss
#170 - 2012-10-18 13:41:54 UTC
I can't believe his threads still active....

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#171 - 2012-10-18 14:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
CCP Falcon
#172 - 2012-10-18 16:02:21 UTC
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
Because of Falcon....


It's not my fault Cry

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#173 - 2012-10-18 17:39:19 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
I can't believe his threads still active....

Some people enjoy chasing invisible mice.

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Wolf Kruol
1st Tikiona Lancers
Citizen's Star Republic
#174 - 2012-10-18 21:22:02 UTC
Because eve would be boring without the soap show. Twisted

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#175 - 2012-10-18 22:24:22 UTC
All MMO forums tend to be whine depositories.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#176 - 2012-10-18 22:27:37 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
oh dear lord this thread is still going

wow lol

u people really should understand when u get trolled.

Fail tbfh, fail



Cough.... I did warn you

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Jim Era
#177 - 2012-10-18 22:29:33 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
oh dear lord this thread is still going

wow lol

u people really should understand when u get trolled.

Fail tbfh, fail



Cough.... I did warn you


I blame alice

Wat™
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#178 - 2012-10-18 23:19:38 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:

i agree with ur earlier point but this above statement is absolute bs mate

most of the major alliances make huge coaltions n blue everyone, its boring, pvp is boring now

!"


Caused by the ease and low cost of the extreme projection of power and logistics. Without it alliances would be forced to fight their neighbors again, instead of curb-stomping some small alliance on the other side of the galaxy with their NAP-train (who will just run and hide, ofcourse).

A big increase in the consumption of jump-fuel for capitals would solve a LOT of problems in null, low-sec and even empire, because many of them are directly or indirectly related to the excessive power-projection of (super)capitals and the ridiculous low-cost, low-risk, low-effort logistics of jump-freighters.

But it's a foul-tasting medicine that CCP will sadly never force upon the null-bears.


POS should cost more to run, ALOT more, capitals should cost ALOT more to build and run

simple small changes ccp wont make
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#179 - 2012-10-19 00:03:53 UTC
Let me get this straight.

CCP created a sandbox game. Player driven game play, player driven economy, player driven war, player driven industry and so on...

So now the players are driving it into the ground and it's somehow CCP's fault?

ROFL!

Mr Epeen Cool
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#180 - 2012-10-19 00:07:17 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:
Because of Falcon....


It's not my fault Cry



Nerf you

R.I.P. Vile Rat