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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-10 23:43:20 UTC
Yes, it's one of those threads. I, being a gallentean, am not very good at fitting passive tanked ships.

Right now I'm rolling in this nighthawk, but I'm not sure if it's fitted well enough to tank level 4's:

6x T2 Heavy launchers

2x T2 Large shield extenders
2x T2 Hardeners (switch them out for missions, right now i've got 2 invulns.)
1x T2 Shield Recharger

3x T2 BCU's
2x T2 Power Relays.

2x T1 Purger rigs.

Right now, with rage missiles or whatever they're called now, It gets ~460 dps.
It's passive recharge is 97hp/s.

Any alterations to this to make it better in any fashion?

Post your fits/critiques/yousuckbiomass comments.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#2 - 2012-10-11 00:48:11 UTC
[Nighthawk, Nighthawk With Super Tank]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/3211-Nighthawk-With-Super-Tank.html#ixzz28wlwrWSz


Picked this up from Battleclinic. Seems to be the most popular build there. I think he said its around 78% for lowest resist, and 225 hp/s passive regen.


Not sure if much has changed with ASB's, etc. But hope it helps. ;)

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-11 00:49:22 UTC
Ouch. Thanks for posting but that is ridiculously overtanked with such little dps. Also, t2 rigs are really expensive.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-10-11 03:56:00 UTC
There's no particular imperative to passive tank a Nighthawk you know. I've been very happy with an active setup for years. Only really take it out when I plan to get full agro on a high damage kin/therm mission -- which means it's been over a year. But it works fine. Granted for the price tag you'd be better off in a Tengu, but I've long been fond of the NH hull.

Your fit would likely also work, though I'd strongly consider trading the recharger for an afterburner. Your paper tank goes down but getting a bit of speed against missiles/transversal against turrets actually helps quite a bit. That will give a worst case scenario BR tank of 398.
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-10-11 07:51:08 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
There's no particular imperative to passive tank a Nighthawk you know. I've been very happy with an active setup for years. Only really take it out when I plan to get full agro on a high damage kin/therm mission -- which means it's been over a year. But it works fine. Granted for the price tag you'd be better off in a Tengu, but I've long been fond of the NH hull.

Your fit would likely also work, though I'd strongly consider trading the recharger for an afterburner. Your paper tank goes down but getting a bit of speed against missiles/transversal against turrets actually helps quite a bit. That will give a worst case scenario BR tank of 398.


This.

I've had a passive tank on one of my NH for quite a while but after i've gone active i only pulled out the passive fit for specific missions (read: bloodraiders).
big up side for going active, in my case, was changing purger rigs to dps rigs.

uh, the current fit i just checked in hangar is quite "pimped" so i can't say what tank/dps numbers a T2 fit will pull.

it is going something like
6 HMLs
4 BCUs
one PDU
one SBA
med (maybe small) Booster
an AB
and 2 Hardeners
Rigs:
BLA
WRC

with my skills i'm cap stable permarunning (med Booster) tank w/o AB and 27min with all on
if i'm to lazy to bother with speedtanking i'll replace the AB for another Hardener

cu
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-11 14:40:19 UTC
alright, thanks gents. never considered an active tank, i've always seen the nh as a black drake with more tank. i will definitely give it a shot.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Chill5
Thirsty Spacers
#7 - 2012-10-16 06:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Chill5
[Nighthawk deeps]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
3 x BCU

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Drone Control Unit II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

I use this in Gallente space to run missions and do plexes. There isn't a lvl4 mission this fit can't handle (does most with ease). When I was down in Nullsec I added two shield power relays when doing the 10/10 DED plex and was able to complete (with friends) all but the last fight (ie; last escalation) on the hardest 10/10 ded plex - the EM damage from the citadel launches melted the shield... lesson learnt.
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-16 08:18:23 UTC
The nighthawk is a solid ship. I used to fly it a lot, especially when I grinded standings in regions far from home. It needs no refit and the missiles are easy to get.
I use an active setup and some people might argue, that the tank is insufficient, but I found, if you just move around a bit, every mission is manageable. This is my fit:

[Nighthawk, mission]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5

Cheers!
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-10-16 09:41:15 UTC
Is there a drone control unit for subcaps now? Man, I need to stop shiptoasting and get in game sometime...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Mar Mite
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-10-16 10:07:59 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Is there a drone control unit for subcaps now? Man, I need to stop shiptoasting and get in game sometime...


who needs to actually play the game when you can become a forum warrior? game-play is overrated Roll
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-16 16:27:50 UTC
Rita May wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
There's no particular imperative to passive tank a Nighthawk you know. I've been very happy with an active setup for years. Only really take it out when I plan to get full agro on a high damage kin/therm mission -- which means it's been over a year. But it works fine. Granted for the price tag you'd be better off in a Tengu, but I've long been fond of the NH hull.

Your fit would likely also work, though I'd strongly consider trading the recharger for an afterburner. Your paper tank goes down but getting a bit of speed against missiles/transversal against turrets actually helps quite a bit. That will give a worst case scenario BR tank of 398.


This.

I've had a passive tank on one of my NH for quite a while but after i've gone active i only pulled out the passive fit for specific missions (read: bloodraiders).
big up side for going active, in my case, was changing purger rigs to dps rigs.

uh, the current fit i just checked in hangar is quite "pimped" so i can't say what tank/dps numbers a T2 fit will pull.

it is going something like
6 HMLs
4 BCUs
one PDU
one SBA
med (maybe small) Booster
an AB
and 2 Hardeners
Rigs:
BLA
WRC

with my skills i'm cap stable permarunning (med Booster) tank w/o AB and 27min with all on
if i'm to lazy to bother with speedtanking i'll replace the AB for another Hardener

cu

im flying this with a 25 minute cap life because lol t2 items.
It works well though, i prefer it over passive tank.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-16 17:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Vix
I have two nighthawks, one passive set up for level 5s and the other active tanked for level 4s. My active tanked one never drops below 80 percent shield (rougly) even in angel extra bonus room.

Highs:
Heavy Missile Launcher II's
Drone Link Augmentor

Mids:
Shield Boost Amp II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy Explosive Deflection Amplifier (or whichever is needed for mission)
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Lows:
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System x 2
Ballistic Control System 2 x 2
Damage Control II

Rigs:
Medium Bay Loading Accel II
Medium Warhead Rigor Cat I

Drones:
Hobgob IIs

Ship can perma run all mods and has enough dps to do any level 4 and enough tank to not worry about being ganked, which is why I fly it instead of a Tengu. This seems a pretty typical build from all the research I did prior to setting it up.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-10-16 20:36:42 UTC
Mar Mite wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Is there a drone control unit for subcaps now? Man, I need to stop shiptoasting and get in game sometime...


who needs to actually play the game when you can become a forum warrior? game-play is overrated Roll




All you need is training and forum shiptoasting, everything else is irrelevant. Lol

brb
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-16 20:44:51 UTC
just so you guys know, I only have ~150m, so these pimp fits are out of the question, except for cheap (<20m) faction/ded parts.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-17 10:09:21 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
just so you guys know, I only have ~150m, so these pimp fits are out of the question, except for cheap (<20m) faction/ded parts.



well, if you dont want to spend that much, id go with something like this (id still use an active setup):

[Nighthawk, mission_cheap]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5

actually it offers almost the same performance. its just a not as lazy, since you only have cap for 6min and a little less damage.
While i would consider 6min cap more than enough time for a hard hitting battleship in l4s, i think the nighthawks damage might not deliver enough kill-speed to clear some rooms or re-spawns fast enough. So you need to watch the triggers more carefully with this one.

cheers!