Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Instead of getting the jump on people at your leisure, there is a potential of a time restraint.

I think I see something like 2-3 cloaking threads here a week, and I've seen everything from cloak fuel to POS mods that decloak people to some sort of detectable radiation that over time builds up making an AFK cloaker detectable after some time, but...

If AFK cloaking is a problem, and if there were to be a solution to it... no auto-repeat, 3600 second cycle.

PS all the ideas, from cap/fuel usage to dedicated probes/ships to find cloaked ships are bloody terrible. They interfere with legitimate activities making things much harder for someone who is ALREADY at a massive disadvantage (because of the penalties on cloaked ships, the fact that he's generally in enemy systems - i.e. they have towers, outposts, pilots, ships at their disposal and he doesn't, the fact that his targets have an instant, infallible intel tool to tell them exactly who comes and goes from their space, etc).

And lets not forget that all these suggestions completely destroy wormhole space.

And why do all this? Because a bunch of terrible nullbears want 100% safety in nullsec and cry and cry and cry.

I have more respect for the hisec bears than I do these cloakywhines, at least the hisec bears will admit they don't want to risk their ships, instead of lying and pretending it's about some "broken/unbalanced mechanic"

MMk, my point is being lost in the complaints. I am the OP and this is my thread, hijack it at your peril. Let me try to spell this out more clearly. And stop mixing afk cloaking in with cloaking while playing the game they are two different things.

"AFK" YOU ARE AFK, CLOAKED for hours with no intention of playing the game. fully intending to play mind games with other players are we clear?.ok?

AFK cloaking is not broken never said it was but i think it needs fixing, its perfectly acceptable part of the game but i can say its flawed if i want, no one is breaking rules and i never said it was. What i said before is that AFK cloaking is stupid, its boring, its no fun for anyone and that HURTS the game...ok put your thinking caps on now read what i am saying here.... and remember AFK cloaking is not cloaked up going to the bathroom...its not cloaked up going to take care of your kids mess fully intending to come right back to play in a few minutes. AFK cloaking is going away from your computer for long periods of time knowing you are affecting enemy in system to believe you are not afk that you are playing the game. To me that is dirty and not the intent of the game or cloaking.

WE play this game for fun, yes some have more fun than others. But when you dont play the game (afk cloaking) knowing full well you are frustrating other peoples enjoyment of the game then it is not productive at all and ultimately costs CCP money when people say screw this.

It happened with CCP making sweeping changes to everything from hisec gate camps, to more recently buffing mining ships and beefing up concord. Why would they do that? because they knew the game mechanics were being used by very skilled players to utterly ruin other players enjoyment of the game in turn hurting their bottom line as in $

Now.... AFK cloaking is another stupid game practice that hurts everyone, and my whole suggestions are meant to be fun ways or alternatives to make cloaking more fun and also fun ways to combat cloakers. and both of my idea's will kill off those lazy no good for nothing AFK cloakers. So there.

Please read what i said and dont make stuff up to prove you are right...stick to your points people.

Show me where i said afk cloaking is broken or that i am against cloaking or am a cloak hater blah blah...you wont find it because i love cloaking and i love legitimate ways of playing the game. AFK cloaking is NOT playing the game the way it was intended.....someday i hope CCP realizes this and you do to.

what?

Nice logical post but you also dont read what i said, sir. AFK cloaking is a willful intent to go afk in your enemies system fully intending to play mind games with them, make them believe an enemy will jump them at any time. you can go afk if you need to while you play and there is nothing wrong with that....you can go afk and forget you are logged on in friendly or enemy system and that is ok. You should not be allowed to knowingly go afk long term in an enemy system , cloaked up and feel safe... defenders of that system should have ways of stopping your malice intent but there is none currently. I suggest ways of stopping this malicious AFK cloaking that goes on because it is a cowardly way of playing the game and ruins everyones fun, it is literally no fun for anyone, not even the AFKr who is just...afk doing whatever knowing he is frustrating other players and they cant do a darn thing about it.

CCP, those who would hear me, why allow this practice when there are other alternatives and ways to combat afk cloaking and have fun in the process?

Does anyone agree with me on this?

You should probably stop posting now, you are seriously contradicting yourself. As you just said so yourself. There are already ways to combat cloakers. Use them.

+1
very well said
And from CCP ingame feedbak i know they see this as a flaw as well,
we just need more people to remember them about case, and dont let the trolls ruin another thread.

I disagree, for multiple reasons. For a start, this is EVE. I can go wherever I want and attempt to do whatever I want. If that disrupts someone else, tough luck for them. Secondly, regarding the "safety" of being cloaked... again, I feel that's fine. They're not part of the game as they've went back to real life, considering they're essentially removed from the game in all ways except a little name in local, I find it perfectly reasonable that they are "safe". They can't interact with anyone else, so no one else can interact with them.



The defenders have plenty of ways of stopping the "malice intent", choosing the worst one (i.e. docking up and refusing to do a bloody thing until the scary name in local goes away) is... well, it's a choice they made. Complaining to CCP that you made cowardly choices instead of doing something (going one whole jump to the system next door, ignoring the afk and doing right in system, fitting your ships for pvp instead of min/maxing, having corpmates to back you up, etc) is silly.

Going afk isn't "cowardly", crying about it is. If you are unwilling to deal with the "malicious intent" of an AFK player, or allow them to disrupt you, then you have no place in nullsec. That is one of the things you have to man up and deal with if you want the rewards nullsec offers, instead of asking CCP to let you have your cake and eat it too.

No. AFK cloaking doesn't cause issues except to ISK/hour.

No ships have been lost to AFK cloakers. ISK has not been made due to the threat of them not being AFK.

Bots have been forced to sit in POS/Station due to AFK cloaked ships. This is good.

There are ways to mitigate the perceived threat of cloaked ships, AFK or otherwise. These generally don't even result in loss of ISK/hour unless you are Billy No Mates and are trying to solo rat/mine/plex in 0.0 which is a foolish thing to do anyway.