EVE General Discussion

Well i for one really like the drone lands. Lots and lots of minerals everywhere... it's just a shame the space is just shoved in the corner out of sight.

an plus, I keep hearing over and over and over "theres more to EVE than making ISK."
Yes I keep SEEING over and over and over "ISK/hour etc"

The "ISK/hr" discussions are usually from people who want to minimise the amount of time it takes to raise the ISK it takes to fund their PvP, without simply buying a PLEX and converting that to ISK.

The two discussions are not mutually exclusive. There is more to EVE than making ISK, but making ISK is important since you need the ISK to buy the ships you take into combat to (ideally) make other people lose their ships.

Here's an interesting idea: if you subscribe for 12 months, you save $48. If you then spend that $48 on PLEX (2 for $34.99), you'll get 800-900M ISK to play with. Much less time wasted farming ISK, much more time enjoying frigate combat :)

Sounds more likely. I mean this is CCP we are talking about. They have been directionless for a while now, and directionless nerfs will certainly achieve just driving people off altogether.

I dont disagree with 'pushing to 0.0' as such, but it achieves nothing (if not even lower player numbers) unless they ALSO address sov mechanics, supercaps and actually somehow allow 'smallholding'. CCP must understand that they cant just fix everything with nerfs. They must give something back. Nerfing something and then taking a year to give the replacement will result in very angry people.

ps. My sub runs out tomorrow. Have a good one.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

FFY . If you think you can push High-sec people towards anything else by nerfing High-sec , you are wrong . Any major nerf to High-sec would just make people leave the game .

What you describe is precisely what I would call casual: short and irregular playtime combined with substantial absence. There is no reason that precludes organizations from using casual players effectively or being able to provide them content. It's just not many people have bothered to think about it and set it up properly.

A good casual corp needs:

1) to be part of an effective organization. This means somebody somewhere is not a casual and knows what's going on etc
2) weight of numbers. lower participation per member is compensated for by just having more members
3) regular scheduled short and fun pvp. This part is key. Casual players need to know that every primetime in their tz they can hop on at x oclock and go out for a quick fun spin
4) hr organization. You need a system where people taking a break, travelling for work, etc can go dormant without being kicked for inactivity

There are already organizations that serve casuals, newbies, burnouts and so on. By designing their organization around content for the average player, instead of their own aggrandizement, they actually benefit themselves by being able to accumulate and project huge amounts of power.

I want to blame CCP for everything, but a lot of the shortcoming in this game are the fault of those players who have gone before and only see new players as idiots and prey, then they wonder why they're sitting all alone in nullsec in their 50 titan blobs without anyone to play with.

agreed.

Throughout this conversation I have noticed that a large section of players that live in high sec are not being mentioned:
vets

I think this has a bearing on what we are talking about because what you have here is a group of players that have tried everything and then reached the conclusion that high sec is the best place for them. No politics, no time-sinks, no armchair generals - no stress!

To put this into perspective:

pvp - fitting, loss and ease of combat: where can you get a good range of ships and mods at a reasonable price? high sec. Where can you find targets within an hours playtime? high sec. Where can you very quickly replace your ship and continue fighting? high sec. Your average vet doesnt want someone gouging them in null nor do they want the precious minutes they can still muster up for eve to be wasted flying 2 hours to aquire fittings.

market - turnover, range and ease of transport: where are there hundreds of people buying and selling things? high sec. Where can you buy almost anything in game? high sec. Where can you quickly move product to/from a point of sale? high sec. Why would a vet waste time mooching around null trying to market when they have an amazing one right on their doorstep?

industry - invention, research, mining, manufacturing: where can you quickly aquire components and run a lab? high sec. Where can you quickly buy BPOs and research them? high sec. Where can you mine and move your minerals to market? high sec. Where can you obtain huge amounts of materials in one place then build in a reasonable timeframe? high sec.
A vet is not going to waste time doing these things somewhere where the effort required is vastly increased.

For veteran players ISK is probably not an issue. Id say the key factors for these players are fun and time: "If i log in for 2 hours on friday where can i quickly have some fun?"

hitting high with the bat might ensure that a generation of newer players move to null but a large group of existing players are going to disappear at the same time.

I honestly don't give a flying **** enough to bother pointing out the obvious to you.

The most ships in the game by volume alone get destroyed in null sec according to data from CCP, so make of that what you will.

I am sure you will come up with some gloriously circular logic that explains why none of this ^ matters and high security is the only space that CCP should ever once concern itself with, even after releasing three consecutive expansions that deal almost exclusively with PvE or vanity elements in the past year and a half in a PVP game.

Go on, amuse me!

What WH nerf?