Science & Industry

NO, sorry, It is your argument that is flawed.


I get what you are describing. I know there are many players like you who feel when there is a cloaked unfriendly ship in your system that there is to much risk to go out mining or what ever null bear activity you want to do. My answer is get over it. NULL sec is dangerous. either learn to live with it or move to high sec.


An AFK cloaked player does not deny you access to anything. they are AFK. If you Choose not to do anything in that system while an AFK cloaker is present that is your choice. Null sec is dangerous, even in friendly space. If they are truly AFK there is no actual threat.

You completely missed the point I was trying to make. If there is a neutral or even unfriendly pilot sitting cloaked in your system. If they are in fact AFK then they are not at their screen to see anything, or to tell their friends what you are doing. They are a ZERO threat.

If they are actually spying on you, and you just think they might be AFK, then you need to decide whether or not the risk is worth it. If a single cloaked ship is to much of a threat to you, that you are afraid to undock than WTF are you doing in null?? You are far to paranoid, even high sec will scare someone like you.

If you follow the first rule of EVE, "do not fly what you can not afford to lose" what is the problem? Sure the AFK cloaker might check in at a bad time for you and you might end up losing your ship if you are not ready. So what, it is EVE, people die. After all it was a ship you could afford to lose right?

What I said about removing cloaked ships in local was to show how stupid some players really are. You obviously got the point, as you commented about how this would make cloaked pilots even more dangerous. But answer this, How can an AFK pilot kill you, cloaked or not?

I am not arguing that a cloaked pilot is not dangerous. But the topic that keeps coming up is not about cloaked pilots, But to FIX AFK cloaking. My point is that if they are AFK they are no more a threat than if they were not even there.(thus might as well remove them from local) When in fact it is the NON-AFK pilots using this mechanic as intended that you are actually afraid of.

If the issue is in fact AFK cloakers, which are not a threat as an AFK pilot can not do anything to hurt you. Then removing them from local is a complete and perfect fix. But if the problem is in fact NON-AFK pilots who use the cloaking mechanic to spy on you as it was intended for, removing them from local will make them even more dangerous.

Based on your comments of cloaked pilots killing you, I would say it is not the AFK cloakers you really have a problem with, but the NON-AFK pilots who are actually a real threat. So stop complaining about AFK cloakers when an AFK pilot is no threat to you.

Cloaking is an espionage mechanic added to the game to make spies and covert operations feasible. This is working as intended. If you are to paranoid to undock when there is an unfriendly cloaked ship in your system than that is your paranoia that is locking out your resources not some AFK pilot.

Stop crying. your NULLBEAR tears are just feeding the pilots you hate so much. You are no better than a carebear miner complaining about getting ganked.

Regarding mining in nul-sec systems I have never got involved in mining in nul-sec space but it is obvious that you have to be well set up to do it efficiently. A large fleet would be essential probably running 23.5 hours a day although obviously with shifts and different pilots. Stargates have to be locked down with combat ships along with combat ships with the mining fleet/s at their location/s. To do it adhoc or in an unplanned way is to invite disaster. If you are doing it right cloaky ships should pose too much of a problem.

I vote hi-sec mini titans with the original Doomsdays.

The lack of a competitive edge over AFK players and bots is what basically kills mining as an active profession. There is also no reward of player-skill (besides indirectly, being able to mine ABC or optimized mining-logistics).

Some PI-like 'mini-game', boosting the yield exponentially by keeping the lasers in the 'red' and adding some additional challenges to reward player-skill has always been the most popular idea to improve mining. Perhaps even adding some ways for further increasing the collective yield through more (active) cooperation.

Sure, it's not perfect, but the amount of player-support this idea has gotten over the years, means its likely good enough to at least fix the mining profession.

Combine this with a reduction of the quality and quantity of the fixed asteroid fields, in favor of moving the bulk of the economy's mineral production to Gravimetric sites, tweaking respawn-mechanics to allow regional scarcity. The demand for exploration and the potential for conflict will further reward well-organized miners over the solo casuals.

No its not. There's nothing wrong with it at all. If CCP can't be bothered to provide something entertaining to do during the 5 minute ice harvester cycle, it's reasonable for me to grade papers while my miners grind away.

if you really have a problem with it, don't ever dock up and go to the bathroom. don't cloak up and go to the bathroom. Don't go to a safe and go to the bathroom. LOG OUT and go to the bathroom. AFK is AFK, right? Don't take your hands off your mouse or the keyboard. Don't take your eyes off the screen. NEVER flip between clients that you can't see. Never flip to another program, an internet browser or anything else. Never move away from the computer while your ship is in warp. When you fly your freighter 30 jumps through high sec, don't take your eyes off the next gate icon. From the moment you log in, until the moment you log out, stay glued to the keyboard, even when there is no reason to.

Get real.

and weapons.. there is no reason, why any weapon should hold more than one shoot. after all reloading is fun :)

OP needs to change Thread Title to AFK Ice Miners, specifically.

ban them, afk pve is against the rules CCP Screegs said so

2011 called, it wants its failed meme back.

That Orca Boost my 2nd toon provides is a yield reward.

And my dead profession nets me about 3.5 billion a month. Mining is very much alive and active.