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Corporations Showing ACTUAL Active Members, Not Inactives [CCP Please Respond]
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Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-10-15 21:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Taranius De Consolville
Hello

Edited* - Please like this post if you agree with the below.

After replies and ideas i believe a workable way is there

CCP we believe that players who have been inactive for more than two weeks should not show up in corporation numbers.

It would be a very important step for corps and would encourage ceos to put the active work needed to run an active corporation within eve

So In short

1. Dead numbers portray corps to be more *active* than they are.
2. No NEW players even have any idea what *evewho* is. So this is not a viable alternative.
3. Players in corps who have been inactive for two weeks should not show up on corporation listings.
4. Corporations should not show inactive numbers to new players looking for a corp.
5. New players should be shown which corps are actually active.

i.e a corp has an actual member count of 5 thousand

We implement this change, after two weeks the actual member count shows say 1300 players.

I believe this will push CEOS to run corps properly, not gulling new players and ruining there hope in finding an active corp.

Please respond.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#2 - 2012-10-16 08:35:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Proclus Diadochu
No. I have members of my corp, who are active duty military, and they sometimes have service obligations that take them away from the game for many days, weeks, to months on end. Also, some corporations build strong communities, and after awhile, some people tend to take breaks from the game, but are still members of the community. This is a bad idea. Just keep looking until you find a corp that fits you. Or build your own, like I did.

EDIT: OP completely changed his OP from kick all inactive members from corp to simply not showing them on the public roster in corp description, or something along those lines.

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-16 11:03:28 UTC
pls, something softer is more appropriate

display active member that logged in the last 30 days in brackets. It would be fair.

Kicking inactive is totally against corporate nature (by which people are free to do whatever and group up by their free will)

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu
Reeloaded.
#4 - 2012-10-16 11:28:16 UTC
Personally i don't believe any changes need to be made.

Giving an active list is just free intel for any enemies one may have. Having a lot of members in general can be its own deterrent, especially if any enemies you have can't get a feel for active members.

From my experience it doesn't do any good to deceive new recruits. They join, find out you're lying and then leave, so you're no better off on members than you were before and eventually word gets around not to join you because you can't be trusted. There is no winning scenario to lying to new members.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-10-16 11:31:38 UTC
Opertone wrote:
pls, something softer is more appropriate

display active member that logged in the last 30 days in brackets. It would be fair.

Kicking inactive is totally against corporate nature (by which people are free to do whatever and group up by their free will)


This idea is more appropriate, thank you, i hadn't thought of that, so ur saying that we should have a number in brackets next to the corp numbers that is the active players that have logged in the last month period?
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-16 11:34:04 UTC
ahh, yeah, this number perhaps should not be too public. It can be in percentage, or in total people, or even total manhours. Generally speaking statistic numbers to reflect the activity of the corp.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-16 11:40:40 UTC
Opertone wrote:
ahh, yeah, this number perhaps should not be too public. It can be in percentage, or in total people, or even total manhours. Generally speaking statistic numbers to reflect the activity of the corp.


That sounds more viable, i approve of you unsurping my thread sir!
Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu
Reeloaded.
#8 - 2012-10-16 12:36:34 UTC
Opertone wrote:
ahh, yeah, this number perhaps should not be too public. It can be in percentage, or in total people, or even total manhours. Generally speaking statistic numbers to reflect the activity of the corp.


Percentage can easily be deduced to total players given that corps list how many total players they have, 50% active players of 50 is 25 active players, thats as bad as just saying "this corp has 25 active players". Man hours could easily be gamed by just having members stay logged in 23.5/7 and would become an irrelevant statistic.
Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis
#9 - 2012-10-16 13:37:10 UTC
Good idea. Hower i would be for the percentage too and not just move to npc corp. For example 20% from 40 active in past 30 days etc.
Camera Drone
EYES 3VERYWHERE
Keys Network
#10 - 2012-10-16 13:37:32 UTC
Plenty of tools currently ingame and out of game to screen a corporation for activity.
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-10-16 14:02:23 UTC
Camera Drone wrote:
Plenty of tools currently ingame and out of game to screen a corporation for activity.


dont do that

u know new players do not know what these are
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#12 - 2012-10-16 18:45:12 UTC
Won't work for me.

As CEO of my corp, I set the kick rules. It's roughly one year. And guess what? They come back.

Internally publicizing optional hard kick rules to members I could see. You need to know that; the public doesn't; I don't need kick rules. Everyone wins. In the mean time, use EveWho to figure out activity for yourself.

New players will figure out pretty quickly that a corp is quiet.

A hard coded 4 week or one month inactivity limit will not work for all corporations.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#13 - 2012-10-16 19:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
A better solution would be for inactive members not to get kicked, but to just not show up in the corp numbers.

Anyone who hasn't been active in 2 weeks could just not contribute to the total corp numbers.

Alternatively.

Opertone wrote:
display active member that logged in the last 30 days in brackets. It would be fair.

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Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-10-16 22:21:22 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
A better solution would be for inactive members not to get kicked, but to just not show up in the corp numbers.

Anyone who hasn't been active in 2 weeks could just not contribute to the total corp numbers.

Alternatively.

Opertone wrote:
display active member that logged in the last 30 days in brackets. It would be fair.


I have edited the orginal post to reflect all the ideas posted and i think a viable work around has been formed :)

Lets hope CCP take notice
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#15 - 2012-10-17 05:47:19 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hello
1. Dead numbers portray corps to be more *active* than they are.
2. No NEW players even have any idea what *evewho* is. So this is not a viable alternative.
3. Players in corps who have been inactive for two weeks should not show up on corporation listings.
4. Corporations should not show inactive numbers to new players looking for a corp.
5. New players should be shown which corps are actually active.


Hi

1. No it doesn't. Portrays them to be bigger than corps with less numbers. Activity is not measurable from corporation info screens and should stay that way.
2. Then link them to it and explain it... like one would do with everything else in Eve.
3. They should show up in the listings, so people can keep track of who is active / inactive for that corp... o wait... they already do this don't they? For corp members only....
4. New players should know better than to join invite only or dead corps. If anything, stop advertisements from dead corps.
5. See point 2.


I'm not feeling the vibe here.... maybe its just me. Your crying over non issues.

Sell it to me..... come on.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-10-17 11:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Taranius De Consolville
Asuka Solo wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hello
1. Dead numbers portray corps to be more *active* than they are.
2. No NEW players even have any idea what *evewho* is. So this is not a viable alternative.
3. Players in corps who have been inactive for two weeks should not show up on corporation listings.
4. Corporations should not show inactive numbers to new players looking for a corp.
5. New players should be shown which corps are actually active.


Hi

1. No it doesn't. Portrays them to be bigger than corps with less numbers. Activity is not measurable from corporation info screens and should stay that way.
2. Then link them to it and explain it... like one would do with everything else in Eve.
3. They should show up in the listings, so people can keep track of who is active / inactive for that corp... o wait... they already do this don't they? For corp members only....
4. New players should know better than to join invite only or dead corps. If anything, stop advertisements from dead corps.
5. See point 2.


I'm not feeling the vibe here.... maybe its just me. Your crying over non issues.

Sell it to me..... come on.


Please troll elsewhere, you, like most of the ego maniacs, seem to have forgotten your roots. I am not going to *sell* an idea to you simply because you *know* how eve works as oppose to a newer player who does not. That is the single most important point of this thread. Everyone who opposes an idea to help *new* players has simply forgotten how confusing EvE Online is for the new player, how many corps we *joined* when we started the game because they were *large* and boasted activeness.

Do not troll a post simply because you refuse to help new players, some one has to, when the majority of the game would sooner stick with no new players. I will always stand up for new players and put ideas across that will help them integrate into eve better.

These ideas are designed and aimed at new players, not vets, not idiot pvpers with egos, new players, to help them into eve and show them, the real eve, not the fantasy version.

Also saying that someone is *crying* or *tears* simply proves your mentality as an elite PVP'er who see's himself above helping new players because you consider yourself better than them.

Please troll elsewhere.
Doddy
Excidium.
#17 - 2012-10-17 13:19:23 UTC
At the very least you could stop showing unsubbed players.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#18 - 2012-10-17 15:37:51 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hello
1. Dead numbers portray corps to be more *active* than they are.
2. No NEW players even have any idea what *evewho* is. So this is not a viable alternative.
3. Players in corps who have been inactive for two weeks should not show up on corporation listings.
4. Corporations should not show inactive numbers to new players looking for a corp.
5. New players should be shown which corps are actually active.


Hi

1. No it doesn't. Portrays them to be bigger than corps with less numbers. Activity is not measurable from corporation info screens and should stay that way.
2. Then link them to it and explain it... like one would do with everything else in Eve.
3. They should show up in the listings, so people can keep track of who is active / inactive for that corp... o wait... they already do this don't they? For corp members only....
4. New players should know better than to join invite only or dead corps. If anything, stop advertisements from dead corps.
5. See point 2.


I'm not feeling the vibe here.... maybe its just me. Your crying over non issues.

Sell it to me..... come on.


Please troll elsewhere, you, like most of the ego maniacs, seem to have forgotten your roots. I am not going to *sell* an idea to you simply because you *know* how eve works as oppose to a newer player who does not. That is the single most important point of this thread. Everyone who opposes an idea to help *new* players has simply forgotten how confusing EvE Online is for the new player, how many corps we *joined* when we started the game because they were *large* and boasted activeness.

Do not troll a post simply because you refuse to help new players, some one has to, when the majority of the game would sooner stick with no new players. I will always stand up for new players and put ideas across that will help them integrate into eve better.

These ideas are designed and aimed at new players, not vets, not idiot pvpers with egos, new players, to help them into eve and show them, the real eve, not the fantasy version.

Also saying that someone is *crying* or *tears* simply proves your mentality as an elite PVP'er who see's himself above helping new players because you consider yourself better than them.

Please troll elsewhere.


I lolled.

Your ignorance about the purpose of this sub forum and my game style preference is amusing.

I was in the mood to entertain your ramblings... but after that response.... lets just say I'm going to support Obsidiana's point of view and -1 this flat out.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-10-17 16:39:14 UTC
I assumed you would

However ignorance is not bliss and you quite clearly couldn't give a damn about new players, that of which is quite obvious and looking at your post history you simply troll/degrade posts as much as you can, as such i am not taking any thing you say seriously nor to even comprehend it on your level and that would be lowering myself.

The bottom line is whether you agree with this or not, new players have a right to know if a corp is inactive. The amount of players i have met who have been from corp to corp looking for activeness and have found none is astounding.

Your entire tone of your posts here and elsewhere proves my original theory that if you don't "agree" with a post, then the idea behind the post is "stupid, ignorant and not for eve online" which shows a remarkably closed off shallow mind, it also means that you cannot look at an issue from all sides, only your opinion of said issue and therefore your opinion is the correct one and "f u" to anyone else.

So i will ask some questions to you.

1. EvEWho would not be known to new players, especially if they knew nothing about eve nor did they know anyone in the game, so how would they find it?
2. New players as you say should just keep looking instead of "crying" about it, why would u not want new blood in eve online, why would u want people to quit? Because they weren't ask geeky as you and "researched" eve online before they joined a game, god forbid a player just likes the look and wants to play it.

If you can come up with a constructive comment to these, i will listen, if you simply troll it, you have proved my point.

No one in this game ever proposes ideas to help new players, they are the future of eve online, whether you like to admit it or not. I have been here since 03 Beta and have seen this game change on a colossal scale, only a few changes were introduced to help new players, So why not now? Why is it you so object to a mechanic to force CEOS to stop lieing and using dead numbers to bring people into corps and then leaving them wondering how the hell to quit the corp.
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#20 - 2012-10-17 19:18:25 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
I assumed you would

However ignorance is not bliss and you quite clearly couldn't give a damn about new players, that of which is quite obvious and looking at your post history you simply troll/degrade posts as much as you can, as such i am not taking any thing you say seriously nor to even comprehend it on your level and that would be lowering myself.

The bottom line is whether you agree with this or not, new players have a right to know if a corp is inactive. The amount of players i have met who have been from corp to corp looking for activeness and have found none is astounding.

Your entire tone of your posts here and elsewhere proves my original theory that if you don't "agree" with a post, then the idea behind the post is "stupid, ignorant and not for eve online" which shows a remarkably closed off shallow mind, it also means that you cannot look at an issue from all sides, only your opinion of said issue and therefore your opinion is the correct one and "f u" to anyone else.

So i will ask some questions to you.

1. EvEWho would not be known to new players, especially if they knew nothing about eve nor did they know anyone in the game, so how would they find it?
2. New players as you say should just keep looking instead of "crying" about it, why would u not want new blood in eve online, why would u want people to quit? Because they weren't ask geeky as you and "researched" eve online before they joined a game, god forbid a player just likes the look and wants to play it.

If you can come up with a constructive comment to these, i will listen, if you simply troll it, you have proved my point.

No one in this game ever proposes ideas to help new players, they are the future of eve online, whether you like to admit it or not. I have been here since 03 Beta and have seen this game change on a colossal scale, only a few changes were introduced to help new players, So why not now? Why is it you so object to a mechanic to force CEOS to stop lieing and using dead numbers to bring people into corps and then leaving them wondering how the hell to quit the corp.



At the end of the day, EvE is well known for its amazing learning curve, and by doing this you a baby stepping this for new players. It is part of the experience in the sandbox to live and learn. Eventually, they will learn about EveWho, Eve-Kill, Kugu, Reddit, Something Awful, Eve-O Forums, TheMittani, EveNews24, Dotlan, EveBoards, JackKnife, BattleClinic, EveSkunk, etc etc... Just like they'll eventually learn about HotDrops, Scams, AFK Cloakers, Wormholes, Lowsec, Nullsec, Tarps, Baiting, and how everything else works in EvE... It is part of the experience. There is absolutely no point in dumbing down this game, and they can and will eventually find a good corp for them, or they'll quit. It's really that simple.

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