EVE General Discussion

An organized, substantial portion of the eve playerbase won seats on the CSM!

lets go cry about it.




Don't worry, I too think elections should be won by who I like, not who gets the most votes.

Say WHAT?

Fair enough. the word "rigged" has some connotations to it that made your statement read differently.

The only model that can give special treatment, more like. Let me make a wild guess here... these "representative boundaries" would just happen to give a slew of candidates who would by pure concidence, be more likely to endorse your views?

In short, you want CCP to ignore the majority in favour of the minority, since you can't get enough people to vote the way you want them to.

The current model perfectly represents the entire playerbase. If the whole of "hi-se"c between them can't even get a candidate the 9th most votes, and of the people who did vote, over 70% of them voted for a candidate who got elected, then you might want to consider that either

-Not so many people in hi-sec are in agreement with your ideas as you assume, regardless of where they conduct their play

-Most people in hi-sec are quite content to ignore the CSM, to the point they can't spend 30 seconds to click a button

Or possibly both.

You can't claim that hi-sec voters aren't represented because so many of them voted but didn't get to see their guy win; 70% of all votes were winning votes. If, on the other hand, there truly is a huge groundswell of support for your point of view in hi-sec amongst people who can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds to click a button, then it seems much more ~democratic~ for you to try and persuade them to spend that 30 seconds than to cry to CCP for special treatment.

Since you care so much about democracy and all, I mean.

I'm sure that Bashar el Assad and Kim Jong Il would whole heartedly agree with your views.

Pff. I live in Wormholes, and they've given EVE new life for me. But they're also full of many risk averse PvE types who don't represent my interests in the slightest, so you can keep that idea.

And wormholes are a part of the game. I don't want it to be the basis of why someone is elected. I vote for people based on whether I believe their "whole of game" philosophy matches mine, not whether they're weekend warriors focused on a particular area of the game

lol. you are so missing the point

As I said before, the only way the current CSM will be removed is if they they step down.

They can not be voted out because they are able to get large majority block voting from their respected alliances / allies.

This is how politics works, love it or hate it, this is the way of things.

There is perhaps only 1 or 2 players in Eve who would be able to counter this but that is it.

On top of that whether you like them personally or not, this current CSM appears to have lite of fire under CCP's collective asses which is great.

Do I like the Mittani personally, can't say as I have never met him.

Will I judge a person by their Internet Persona.. hell no.

Will I judge him on their results, yes and so far so good.

I couldn't give a **** whether his internet persona is one of a lying manipulative egocentric bastard, so long as they get the job done great.

I do not see the point of having time wasted on a election where unless they step down, they will win again.

So far they are doing a good job, let them continue with it

Incidentally, another objection to Apostles "regional representation" gerrymander is that it would be comically easy to manipulate by any large, well-organised group. Since there's no "residency" qualification, anyone can say that they're a Caldari resident or an Amarr resident or whatever. Unless you're going to impose an unbearable administrative burden on CCP by having them individually audit each account for activity - and even that could be manipulated.

Read here for some pointers on how this system would easily be exploited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_boroughs

Apostles proposal would in all probability deliver even more CSM control to mittens.

tbh there is so much wrong with the csm it really should be disbanded.
lets start off with power blocks. it shouldnt happen, ccp alwos these large alliance to run because of the ammount of player base they "speak" for. well they dont speak for me or anyone else not in thier alliance.
CCP employees should also not be allowed to be in alliances that have elected csm members in it. THIS IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.... AND TECHNICALLY INSIDER TRADING. how do i figure? im glad you asked. well all know the rep of some alliances and we know they will do anything to stay ahead or on top. so tell me this do you actually think they dont go back to said alliances and say hey everyone hope on vent,ts3,skype w/e and spill the details of csm=patch's coming soon... we are seeing it now btw with the oxytopes.
long story short no csm member should be allowed back to back terms and no more then 3 terms in 5 years then you cant be elected again for 4 years. this would help clean corruption from the csm.
there is a member on the csm now that has been there for four years back to back, do you honestly think he doesnt have more of a personal relationship with ccp. esp since ccp employees are in his allinace.....


think about what you all are doing to this game buy selling your votes or just voting for who ever looks cool. EVE IS REAL.



did i do it right?

hmm please tell me this is a joke?