EVE General Discussion

Hi everyone,

I like to discuss a game mechanic that I fail to understand the reason for. Let me start by saying that this is my fist post, English is not my main language and I only play a few hours a week, mostly during weekends. If you don’t want to read the wall of text, jump to the last line of this post.

When I started playing EVE, I did a lot of missions, mostly level 4 for Gallente. I did EVERY mission, including corp and storyline involving killing Caldari and Amarr, the most profitable ones. At that time, I knew that I was losing standings with those factions, but it didn’t have any effect on my PvE playing. This resulted in -6 modified standings with Amarr and -3 with Caldari, already counting lvl 4 Diplomacy and stuff.

Now I’m part of a corp that runs mining ops and some few PvP roams. Sometimes we mine at Amarr highsec space, which I can’t fly because of my low faction standings. OK, I did kill a lot of Amarr ships. I deserve it. So I started doing lvl 1 Armarr missons in Caldari space to gain faction standings back.

The problem is: the only way to get Amarr faction increase is doing storyline missions, after 16x lvl 1 missions. Even with good standings with the Amarr corp for which I’m doing the missions, I can’t advance to level 2 or 3 missions, at the same corp, because my faction standings override my corp standings.

I think this should be the other way around. For example, if I have 3.0 standings with one Amarr corp, I should be able to do higher level missions for that corp, even with my -6 faction standings.

What’s the point of having a good standing with one corp if I still have to keep doing 16x lvl 1s missions, then a storyline. Rinse and repeat.

I know I murdered a lot of Amarr people, but this mechanic is really annoying and penalizes players on the long run, after they change their playstyles from PvE to anything else. I don’t see how this benefits the game in any way.

Long story short: why bad faction standings override good corp standings on the same faction?

Because you're not the corporation, you're an individual.

It makes no sense whatsoever that they overlook the fact that you slayed members of their Empire,
just because you've joined a corp that has a better reputation towards them than yourself.

Also, there are agents who take tags for faction standings. It's costly,
but that way you don't have to grind your standings up again, but instead pay for it.

Aahhhh you're right, i misunderstood that. My bad.

But the thing with the agents still works for raising his faction standing.

Very nice! Thank you very much!

I just did 16x lvl 1 missions and got a storyline. That took me from -6.1 to -6.0. Jesus...

I still think that my personal standings with that Amarr corp should override my faction standings. That way I could at least do level 2 and 3 missions, instead of repeating 100x level 1 missions. I think CCP should review this, there's no overall benefit from this rule, only punishes players from doing exactly what missions demanded.

The point is: I'm not in Amarr space, I'm Caldari space doing Amarr missions. Yet, I cant do lvl 2/3 missions for this corp, even with 3.0 standings with that specific Amarr corp (in Caldari space).

I'm currently doing the Data Center missions, but those are inside Amarr space. So, I need to warp using my pod to the location, get the mission, jump into a shuttle or inexpensive ship to be able to transport the tags and deliver, because they shoot me even at the Data Center.

CCP really should review the process of regaining standings. It's so hard that I doubt its deliberate. And its so easy to lose standings doing lvl 4 missions for the enemy corp.

Your suggestion of the Epic Arcs is amazing, thank you very much, I totally forgot about this. Is there a wiki page showing the location of the missions? As long as I don't need to keep flying or killing rats at Amarr space to complete them...

Yes, maybe CCP should put some confirmations before accepting this kind of missions, for new players like me.

Thanks for all the tips!

I got it worse.

I have a +7 corp standing with one of the Intaki Syndicate corps. Since I ran Gallente missions, ratted in Syndicate, have done Exploration, all things that kill Serpintis, I have a -6 faction standing with the Intaki Syndicate. So... I can't run missions in with agents in the station I live in.

Damn silly that doing PvE in 0.0 space makes it so you... can't do PvE in 0.0 space.

No data centers to help.

Even worse, someday CCP will get around to making it so bad faction standings removes or reduces your ability to use faction stations. I'd be screwed then. (Then again so would everyone so moot point I suppose.)

Oh, yeah. Shoot on site in Amarr space too. Go me!

Wawawawawa I should have no consequences for anything etc.

When I did the missions involving killing enemy factions, I was a beginner and the "consequences" were not clearly stated for the long run. CPP shouldn't mix a mission involving killing enemy factions with standard missions. Or they should put an alert similar to those when the mission involves going to low-sec.

Thank you!