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Victor Torres
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-14 13:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Torres
Alright, so I am brand new to the game. 15 days in and I have 40m ISK ( I would've had more but spent a lot on a thorax which I just lost last night due to unknown reasons, I logged out all safe in station - I was in the middle of a mission but I had warped out to do repairs and I just ended up calling it a night, when I returned the next morning - I was in a capsule in the middle of nowhere with 7m extra cash in my wallet -.- ).

Anyways - I decided to buy a battlecruiser simply because I just want a bigger ship. (Yes I know it seems like ******** logic going from "hey I just lost an expensive ship" to "well screw it i'm going to buy an even more expensive ship" but I love the brutix).
I thought that buying a battlecruiser would make the game easier - yes all the stuff on the ship would be tear 1 stuff and low level weapons. But I really just want a good ship that I can use to plow through agents quick enough so that I can get either a myrmidon or Talos.
(No I will NOT be doing pvp any time soon - just pve, just fyi).

My question is - Should I keep the Brutix and just grind some L3's for money and buy a myrmidon? or go back to the thorax, grind L2's and then get a myrmidon?
I Don't have a fit on my brutix just yet also YES I did see the cruiser DOCK i'm not idiot -.- hence why I was so surprised it was blown up. Just a glitch or something but I really don't care.
I don't have anything fitted on my brutix because I just bought it.
Can anyone link a good brutix fit for pve? that would be great!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-14 14:05:17 UTC
1.) apparantly you didn't log off while docked, but in space and in a place where people/rats shot you.

2.) Link your fits, it can help if we see what you are using to give you our advice to stick to L3 with BC or L2 with cruiser.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#3 - 2012-10-14 14:12:19 UTC
I had strarted out as a miner and trader, so when I went to missioning I had the isk to go right to a BC and skip cruisers. Since both used medium sized gear the only real cost difference was the hull. It worked for me, but to be honest I am not sure I would do it that way again if I had to repeat it. As I said, the cost difference was only the hull (and rebuying rigs if used) but the BC was slower and some L2 missions I had to pass on due to size restrictions. If you happen to be slavaging with the same ship the speed of the BC will hurt you tijme-wise (get a destroyer to salvage). If you stay in a cruiser you can always quickly sell it for a small loss when you go to the BC.

As for your warp out death, did you just hit 'dock' and walk away from the keyboard or did you actually see your ship dock in the station? If you were warp scrambled you wouldn't have left the mission are and you would have been blown up.

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Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-14 15:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Boudacca Sangrere
Many of us, who start out in this game have been conditioned by other games that bigger means better. In EvE this is not always so. That being said, Battlecruisers (BC) are a very solid ship class, capable of doing a wide variety of things. More importantly, due to their "beefy" nature, they are quite forgiving to low Skill Points (SP) pilots. Additionally, right now there are no racial Battlecruisers, so one skill fits all! I would definately take advantage of this situation and get that skill to at least 4 (better 5).

Most battlecruisers, even in T1 fits will make short work of level 3 missions. Still, it always is a good idea to look up the mission description and know what hardeners you need and what the spawn triggers are. Knowing which damage type the rats have low resists in will also make a big difference.

This is a pretty solid Myrmidion fit:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62953-L3-Myrmidon.html

Good luck and fly safe!

B.
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-10-14 15:28:56 UTC
I would stay away from the talos as its intent is as a glass cannon hit and run boat for pvp, you will find that it dies easy with its cruiser sized tank and has a much more difficult time hitting targets as it uses battleship sized guns.

If your capable of surviving in the lvl 3s in your brutix and can complete them in a reasonable amount of time then go for it, if your unsure link your fits and we will destroy your confidence in your fitting know how and tell you how to build them better Blink
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#6 - 2012-10-14 17:42:50 UTC
Victor Torres wrote:
Alright, so I am brand new to the game. 15 days in and I have 40m ISK ( I would've had more but spent a lot on a thorax which I just lost last night due to unknown reasons



Open your character sheet in the Neocom, go to the Combat Log tab, and click show losses. That should show you how you died. Right clicking will give you more detailed info.
Victor Torres
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-10-14 18:42:44 UTC
Glanath : Thanks that really just showed me THE HUGE LOSS THAT I SUFFERED...
Jesus... stupid rats. 22m ISK loss on my ship...
Though If I sold everything I have at the moment I would have around 41.5m give or take.
I could've had 63 or 64m but NOOOOOOOOO my ship had to magically undock...
(I LITERALLY remember watching the ship dock... Now I am actually a little upset because of that huge ISK loss.. Oh well)
But yea I think I'll go with Boudacca Sangrere's advice!
thanks all.
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#8 - 2012-10-14 19:36:50 UTC
Victor Torres wrote:
Glanath : Thanks that really just showed me THE HUGE LOSS THAT I SUFFERED...
Jesus... stupid rats. 22m ISK loss on my ship...
Though If I sold everything I have at the moment I would have around 41.5m give or take.
I could've had 63 or 64m but NOOOOOOOOO my ship had to magically undock...
(I LITERALLY remember watching the ship dock... Now I am actually a little upset because of that huge ISK loss.. Oh well)
But yea I think I'll go with Boudacca Sangrere's advice!
thanks all.


In a month or two, you will laugh at that amount of loss. It's maybe 1-2 hours of level 4 high sec missions at most. Just keep plugging away and consider it a learning adventure.
Victor Torres
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-14 19:41:39 UTC
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#10 - 2012-10-14 19:44:24 UTC
Victor Torres wrote:
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?


The general progression is:
level 1 - Frigs/Destroyers
Level 2 - Cruisers
Level 3 - battlecruisers
Level 4 - battleships/Strategic Cruisers
Level 5 - Groups and/or caps

There's no harm in using a more powerful ship in a lower level mission as long as you can equip it with weapons that hit smaller targets, but you definitely don't want to use a smaller ship like a destroyer in a harder mission or it will go pop.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#11 - 2012-10-14 20:09:54 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Victor Torres wrote:
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?


The general progression is:
level 1 - Frigs/Destroyers
Level 2 - Cruisers
Level 3 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 4 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 5 - FREINDZ IN DRAEKBAOTS

There's no harm in using a more powerful ship in a lower level mission as long as you can equip it with weapons that hit smaller targets, but you definitely don't want to use a smaller ship like a destroyer in a harder mission or it will go pop.


Fixed that for you :D

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#12 - 2012-10-14 20:15:14 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Gianath wrote:
Victor Torres wrote:
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?


The general progression is:
level 1 - Frigs/Destroyers
Level 2 - Cruisers
Level 3 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 4 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 5 - FREINDZ IN DRAEKBAOTS

There's no harm in using a more powerful ship in a lower level mission as long as you can equip it with weapons that hit smaller targets, but you definitely don't want to use a smaller ship like a destroyer in a harder mission or it will go pop.


Fixed that for you :D



Shh, now. Don't get him all excited about the all mighty Drake. It's about to get broken.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-14 20:23:39 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Gianath wrote:
Victor Torres wrote:
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?


The general progression is:
level 1 - Frigs/Destroyers
Level 2 - Cruisers
Level 3 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 4 - DRAEKBAOT
Level 5 - FREINDZ IN DRAEKBAOTS

There's no harm in using a more powerful ship in a lower level mission as long as you can equip it with weapons that hit smaller targets, but you definitely don't want to use a smaller ship like a destroyer in a harder mission or it will go pop.


Fixed that for you :D



Shh, now. Don't get him all excited about the all mighty Drake. It's about to get broken.


You can of course replace the Drake with Tengu's

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Victor Torres
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-14 20:36:43 UTC
I've heard about the drake - not excited about it (even seen videos of it on youtube and heard about how awesome it is)
Only really want a megathron and a talos.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2012-10-14 21:59:00 UTC
Talos is primarily a PvP ship, they don't last long in missions, they have next to nil tank and the guns have trouble hitting things like frigates and cruisers. That said, they look cool as hell Big smile

The drake is the jack of all trades, mediocre dps if you fit for tank but oh boy can it tank (like a mofo) but as others have said it's main weapons are getting changed when retribution hits.

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Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-15 01:08:54 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Victor Torres wrote:
thanks. so do you think I should fly the brutix or just get a destroyer/thorax for l2's and l3's?


The general progression is:
level 1 - Frigs/Destroyers
Level 2 - Dessie/Cruisers
Level 3 - cruisers/battlecruisers
Level 4 - BC (Drake)battleships/Strategic Cruisers
Level 5 - Groups and/or caps

There's no harm in using a more powerful ship in a lower level mission as long as you can equip it with weapons that hit smaller targets, but you definitely don't want to use a smaller ship like a destroyer in a harder mission or it will go pop.

This, and move up after you trained not only for the hull but for the weapons/modules too......
Be sure to fly in a ship you can effort to loose...............
BTW there are all kinda special ships too...........
Yuwee Vesa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-10-15 03:24:57 UTC
Being focused primarily on Amarr ships my progression has been Punisher(frigate), Arbitrator(cruiser), Harbinger(Battlecruiser) . The Punisher worked out well for level 1 missions but I needed more damage for level 2 that's when I decided to focus on my drone skills and move into an Arbitrator. At this point I was happy with my damage output and kill speed but my tank was lacking, jumping straight into a battlecruiser even with low skill points and empty module slots due to fitting issues gave significantly more tank and greater dps (this may not be the case with every ship). I've just got enough standing to start running level 3 missions where things are going to get somewhat annoying due to range issues.Onward to Tech2 Weaponry!

I hear nothing but great things about the myrmidon... I'd go for the Battlecruiser even if you have to stick with level 2 missions, hell try 3's and see how you get on just stay aligned so you can warp if shtf. Keep in mind if you do go the battlecruiser route with large guns, drone skills will save your ass from those pesky frigates and serve you well while piloting the Myrmidon. It might not be whats recommended but it's working for me.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2012-10-15 04:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
^^ good advice, if you're going for a Mrym you'll definitely need those drone skills, also the Myrm has no gun bonuses so you can fit whatever you like in the high slots. It'll be medium guns though, only the Talos can fit large.

It's a very versatile ship, don't be afraid to experiment with the fit, it's primarily an armour tanker but also works well with shields if you're that way inclined (don't try it if you have no/low shield skills which is quite likely if you mainly fly Gallente)

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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#19 - 2012-10-15 05:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Victor Torres wrote:
Glanath : Thanks that really just showed me THE HUGE LOSS THAT I SUFFERED...
Jesus... stupid rats. 22m ISK loss on my ship...
Though If I sold everything I have at the moment I would have around 41.5m give or take.
I could've had 63 or 64m but NOOOOOOOOO my ship had to magically undock...
(I LITERALLY remember watching the ship dock... Now I am actually a little upset because of that huge ISK loss.. Oh well)
But yea I think I'll go with Boudacca Sangrere's advice!
thanks all.

You didn't rage quit. You may go far in EVE. Especially if you learn something from your losses.

Ships are just tools. Don't get attached to them. You will lose a lot more.

I reimbursed this loss. Check your wallet for a one-time scholarship.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#20 - 2012-10-15 07:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Victor Torres wrote:
I LITERALLY remember watching the ship dock...


But did you actually see your ship inside station? Docking takes up to 10 seconds, sometimes it's instant, sometimes "towing" is slow as snail. Anyway, whatever happened it's good that you didn't rage like some tend to do, you should be fine.

I'm Minmatar and brutix/myrm are not my kind of ships so no advice on that from me but myrm seems to be great ship from what I read/hear about it.

I can repeat what others said before: you will lose ships, accept it now and your Eve life will get better. Ships are tools for a job and you shouldn't get attached to them. No matter what you do, be that exploration, mining, missions, pvp, hauling - sooner or later your ship will explode, that's just the way of Eve. You can minimize chance of it happen but you can never fully prevent it in the long run.

As for finances 22mil loss is easily replaceable once you get into L4 missions. Quite a few of them have this amount in bounties alone, quite often you can get similar amount from salvage and loot. For example L4s got me 300mil during last month and I really not grind them at all, just casual few hours few times per week/weekend in my T2 fitted maelstrom. And I use faction ammo, and don't cash in my LPs in very efficient way, and don't do a lot of things "serious" missioners do. So no worry, you will get there.

And most of all have fun, it's the only thing that you cannot buy with ISK :)

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