Wormholes

also we like a good rumble with pirates in low and the big guys in null......

So the moral of the story is... C5's suck for pvp?

most likely because your the only one trolling it

:/ how comes that my stupid suggestions are trolling and other's stupid suggestions are not??

Could it be an idea that sleepers build up hatred against their targets ie.

Corp x is doing sites and has done so for 10 min. Corp x then has 10 min worth of hatred from the sleepers
Corp y ganks corp x, but the sleepers only engange corp x because they have greater hatred towards them.

This could potentially make siting more dangerous as sleepers won't attack the attackers.

(This idea is rather, not, thought through, but I guess I'd pitch it).

This, even if it is lacking punctuation. ;)

If a group is smart enough to watch all entrances and be alert for new sigs while running sites, and then actually run when potential hostiles make their presence known, more power to them. That means they're learning how to protect themselves from those of us who hunt them. They have put forth the effort, and should be rewarded for doing so.

Hunters have been ruthlessly efficient. We have forced the prey to adapt or die, and they have adapted. The hunters now also need to adapt again, and that doesn't mean crying to CCP Mommy. Some of my corp's best kills now come from traps, as opposed to brainless ganks.

For those who aren't able to adapt, there are always the random few who blind-warp full Orcas to un-monitored wormholes that are off dscan. Those people are just becoming fewer and fewer in number, and they'll probably end up back in hisec before too long.

It's now your turn, hunter. Adapt or die (starve).

After tonight, Exhale has been added to the combat logging scrub list btw.

True, but only 1 phobos, really needed a pair of dictors to pull that off, and no time. Wasn't gonna reship, thought we had a decent fight coming.

You fail at killboard reading. It's the same syndrome as people who fail to read EFT tbh taking things out of context and misreading data.



Wormhole fights tend to revolve around logistics and logistic counters.

A and B clash and fight furiously for half an hour trying to get on top of the other sides logistics if it's a carrier then it's Dps and neuts if it's guardians it's ecm neuts and dps. And various other tactics.

Whenever one side looses it's logistics that's the fight over for that side and they will GTFO promptly The fight might have been 20 vs 20 but kill-board shows 20 people fighting 5 dead every single time.

WH isn't like 0,0 where scrubs just bash into each other mindlessly or where fleets are so damn big that things die 1,2,3 alpahed every single time it is called a target.

It's much longer fights resulting in much less kills. Does it pad kill-boards and make you look amazing every time no.

Is it a **** ton of fun where tactics and individual pilots and fits can change the entire outcome Hell yes !!

I realise I am posting in a thread which is starting to look a lot like the 0,0 smack threads and I apologize for +1 ing it. And sincerely hope some of you can bury the hatchet of who took what fight.
We all know that we all want to take fights we are likely to win or at least not outright loose

Also We all know that even though one of us have a 30 man fleet one day, that doesn't mean that can be fielded the next day "come dancing with me " might be on and everyone's wife has them chained to the couch for "quality time" or some other crap is going on that is causing a lull in activity and thus inability to take the fight that might have been good another day. So using the you can field X amount argument is just too silly.

PS I'm fairly drunk so please excuse crappy grammar and english

As to the guy who posted the ideas about Poco timers being within the time-span of a hole life. Yeah I fully agree if not Poco's then at least something.
All systems do need some way of being attacked by a gang that can inflict damage to the owners right away thus perhaps forcing the owners to want to fight.

Perhaps if attacking a POCO drained or killed some of the work done on the PI for the last 24 hours ??? Not outright killing them because that would get silly fast.


@SojournerRover

Your pretty much spot on. WH has changed a lot. From our point of view It pretty much started with Narwhals growing to about 3 times the size of the next biggest (Pvp-Centric) which was Aharm.
So when they clashed the first time during a C6 invasion they asked if we could assist as they were outnumbered 2/1 . We got a lucky connection and together we were about the same size and we won that engagement.

Then there was the lucky (for us) connection we had during EE eviction and one recent one.

We always reset Aharm straight away afterwards because frankly we saw them as the best alongside RNK and the chance to beat them in a straight up fight was always the goal. (We managed once ) And they keep finding our stupid AFK gassers every now and then.
And I would have had their virtue clone scanner tonight if my stupid tackler wasn't drunker then I am and half snoozing :(

What strikes me as odd now however is there are several wormholes largest entities that have kept eachother permablue for months. I mean I can understand team-ups to get the numbers to be able to do things against even larger targets, but why the hell would anyone deny themselves so many of the targets in wormholes.

One of the problems we have in fighting Aharm now is that we know eachother too well. We know exactly how the other baits, what we can field etc so connections tend to lead to stalemates and then we just offer eachother 5 vs 5 to get something out of it. So I can understand it a little how working with someone denies you fights afterwards but perma blue I just don't get especially not with so many and such numbers it just denies the entity the majority of targets it can find.

As to evictions your so spot on. We have tried to not evict pvp entities we made a mistake with Elysian in that we didn't do our back ground check at all and found out after invading that the reason they hadn't responded to our baiting and atttacking their pos in their homesys the last few times was because they were away on invasions each time. This kind of mistake is made all the time versus the smaller guys.

Point being that in general evicting corps that at least seems to try to grow and be pvpers is just self harming. A Conclusion which I have heard a lot of the WH corp leaders actually agree on.

There is a distinction which is often missed which is that small corps just won't engage the known names because they know they will be killed by numbers. while some are just farming corps. How to tell which is which ?

Example

We had a recent engangement with a new corp in C6 (forget the name might find and edit it in later) We tackled one of their hulks which was mining AFK they jumped in two navy domi's to save him and we proceeded to jump gang in and tackle them all.

We then ransomed the Domi for polish anthem and the pilot said to us if the hulk pilot which was a total noobhad told me it was NOHO I would never have jumped in to save him. We are too small to fight you but if you connect we will gladly take 5 vs 5.

Had he not told us that we might have mistaken them for another C6 farming corp by the afk mining thing. Point being that I'm drunk and that the new small guys in wh needs to be given a chance to grow and not kicked out by us big bad meanies all the time

Thanks for the feedback. We'll take your sage pvp tactical suggestions under advisement.

We've certainly gleaned a lot of lessons about TL from your posts, probably not what you've intended though.