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CCP - This Is Your Game As It Stands - As I Have Played The Aspects

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ISD Praetoxx
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-10-12 18:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Praetoxx
Mind your step. Floor has been polished. If you accidentally your knee and attempt to file a lawsuit ... I will just skip the advert you star in.

On a serious note, I have cleaned the thread of all non-relevant posts/content. Please try stay on topic and post constructive replies.

I know it is difficult, but remember that we all had to start somewhere.

Also, I won EVE.
- ISD Praetoxx

ISD Praetoxx Lieutenant Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department

octahexx Charante
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-12 21:24:44 UTC
Instead of trolling you im gonna be constructive here.

You havent found the right corp/alliance/people.

Its the social part that makes or breaks eve no the grinding....everything in eve is grinding more or less..its the people who makes it possible to tolerate.
III ZiggyBang
One Point 0
#43 - 2012-10-12 22:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
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REAL EDIT: Impersonating, or attempting to impersonate a member of staff is a serious breach of forum rules, I advise you do not do that again - ISD Type40.
III ZiggyBang
One Point 0
#44 - 2012-10-12 22:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Mind your step. Floor has been polished. If you accidentally your knee and attempt to file a lawsuit ... I will just skip the advert you star in.

On a serious note, I have cleaned the thread of all non-relevant posts/content. Please try stay on topic and post constructive replies.

I know it is difficult, but remember that we all had to start somewhere.

Also, I won EVE.
- ISD Praetoxx


In other news, *snip*

EDIT: Again, attacking members of staff is an unwise course of action. I strongly recommend that you do not do this again - ISD Type40.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#45 - 2012-10-12 22:14:57 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Null Sec - Mostly empty unless u are within a 5 jump range of alliance hub. I have personally led roams around null sec and low sec and have seen empty system after empty system, why? Because most pvp corps are in empire because it is to easy to hold sov, this needs to change. Null Sec is broken and instead of fixing it, u want to bring fancy new ships out and bugger high sec even more.


I agree... nullsec has some major problems at the moment... Sov Mechanics are extremely Coallition Oriented, and unless its under the protection of some big entity, a small entity has NO CHANCE at taking and holding sov....

Taranius De Consolville wrote:

FW - This is an absolute joke, most FW corps require ten mil sp minimum and the FW *alliance* chat as it were, is just a bunch of people trolling each other because there is no one there to moderate it. The plexes are a joke, frig/dessy plexes, a dude goes in a merlin, full faction fit, we send in 4 dessys to take him out, what does he do? Annihilates us with ease, farms his plex and moves on, if u dont have billions, oh dear?

You need to stop sucking and learn to PvP.... FW is cheesy... as it rewards orbiting a button and running away rather than actual PvP... Also, Offgrid boosters are a MAJOR problem there.....


Taranius De Consolville wrote:
PVP - lol atm, plain lol, solo pvp? ha, small gang pvp before u get blobbed ten seconds after hitting sov space? haha. No effin point, fw pvp? lol unless u have a decent corp, with a player decline? lol. grief corps? whats the point, costs to much to war dec corps.

There's good PvP to be had... although most of it seems to be in the FW arena at the moment...

Taranius De Consolville wrote:

bounty system - are i frickin kiddings me? able to make anyone a target at a whim? im gonna laugh as people quit the game in droves because they are not safe anywhere at all. this system, will be the death blow of eve, i really think it will, it will bring more pvpers out of null and low sec, it will make empire a completely pvp based area as sumone annoys u by sitting on a gate? bounty them? sumone mines your roid? bounty them? sumone bumps u on a station? bounty them, well done ccp, well done

Even if all of eve gains a 1b isk bounty on them tomorrow.... what will this really stop you from doing?? How will this really hurt the game?? It wont... it will just encourage more pewpew.... And have a bounty... get in a ship and go lose it to shed your bounty... I bet you can have fun doing it!

When your accounts expire... can I have your stuff???
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-10-12 22:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
III ZiggyBang wrote:
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Mind your step. Floor has been polished. If you accidentally your knee and attempt to file a lawsuit ... I will just skip the advert you star in.

On a serious note, I have cleaned the thread of all non-relevant posts/content. Please try stay on topic and post constructive replies.

I know it is difficult, but remember that we all had to start somewhere.

Also, I won EVE.
- ISD Praetoxx


In other news *snip*.


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EDIT: Pardon the intrusion Surfins, just had to edit part of that quote - ISD Type40.

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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-10-12 23:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Misunderstood Genius
Bittervet is bitter. That's what the OP sounds to me.

Everyone who's playing EVE intense for a couple of years should understand what kind of game you are playing and how such a game works. EVE is MMORP(S)G. I repeat in full words: Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplay (Sandbox) Game. What does this mean? Well. Very simple. That it's highly dynamic, controlled by thousands of players playing it differently and due to it's social and economical concept very close - sometimes too close - to RL. You have to work to earn ISK to buy stuff to stay alive in the game. CCP defined rules and mechanics and they have to deal with the influence and feedback of the community. Some mechanics might be broken and need to be fixed. Sure. But in all of my 8 years I am playing EVE I never found anything in the game what made me such frustrated to start a big crybaby thread on the forums. I agree to some issues the OP mentioned but there's nothing I am not able to deal with. EVE needs patience in any case. If you are looking for a game you can master on your terms, EVE is the wrong place. People are still complaining about broken mechanics, blobs, imbalance, 24/7 hardcore nerds without a RL, ECM, ECM, ECM, no solo PvP anymore... the list is endless. Those people are just too lazy or not able to adapt and change. They want things work the simple way like a straight forward linear run in a Arcade game what you can master by finding the walkthrough pattern. EVE is not working like that and I am still surprised hat especially the old players still don't get it what type of game they are playing and why there's always a bigger fleet. CCP can't solve that for us. It's up to us to solve it. If you can't play in a group, if you can't afford to play expensive, if you don't have the better skills... don't complain at those ones who fly in a group, fly in expensive ships and beat you becaue they have the better skills or know how to master the grid. You get blobbed but you wanted that 1v1 so bad? Wrong game, mate. It's a MMORPG. And not a 2003 with a few thousands online only anymore. Deal with it. Period. You are annoyed by this afk cloaker? Learn to live with it and don't cry for probes finding a cloaky. In RL noone is fixing the problems for you. You might get support or help by others but finally you have to fix them. Just saying.

I had a blast in EVE so far. Null, w-space, low, a bit high, FW... I have faced a lot of fun and ****. I have an intense RL with wife, kids and friends. I have time to play EVE. Limited time. So I just focused on PvP with two accounts and sub-alts for asset- and cyno-logistics - what boosts the chance to survive on a fair level: not scared to engage small groups, flying through low and null easily, winning much, losing less - and I do not stress myself out by running EVE on 4+ accounts trying to make ISK to feed my PvP hunger. Spending my time in RL to make EUROS is hard enough. So I simply don't care about bearing and convert GTC into PLEX. ISK problem solved. If I have time some day to collect all my loot I have left behind or just sell my loot I move with my carrier all the time. I would have around 30 bil more. But I doubt that this will ever happen. I even have two years old officer stuff hard to sell on my terms. So what.

There's nothing broke in EVE what ruins my fun. If the new bounty system will drop massive bounty on me or someone is selling the killrights to someone who thinks he can kill me. I can't wait for the good fights. If CCP brings something new: I will adapt or ignore. I learned to survive in this game and I know how and when to PvP. I take the risk. I love the thrill. I still think that this game is the best game ever. Because it's different, a real adventure with a never ending challange. And btw: at a well skilled level I don't even care about skilling or missing a skill change for hours or days. It doesn't really matter anymore.

And last but not least I made over 4 billion with tier 5 cashout just by FW-PvP the last 3 months. Should I really complain?

No. Good hunting. Good job, CCP.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-10-13 00:01:34 UTC
Confirming the OP has played all aspects of this game including wormholes, incursions, trading, manufacturing, research and ship spinning. If only he could report on how awful those aspects are.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#49 - 2012-10-13 02:21:24 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Some good points OP I agree with.

Now that you have your list of grievances, how about some proposed fixs? Anyone can complain all day, the people who care will offer fixs.


You / we / ccp - cant fix eve. thats why they are doing different game its called DUST. I think that CCP knows that eve is dying, they have all data about players.

So yeah..
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#50 - 2012-10-13 04:00:37 UTC
Renton Brax wrote:

Also, a married man who plays that much can be considered a hardcore gamer, fair?

Or married more than 10 years.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Hrothgar Nilsson
#51 - 2012-10-13 04:58:23 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hi

Before anyone starts trolling and calling me a kid, im a married man i play eve for maybe 3-5 hours a night and 5-6 hours a day on the weekend, i am not a hardcore geek nor do i have no life, so you can drop the insults. I have 4 accounts and i play all aspects of this game. Also before i go ahead, i am dyslexic so the grammar will be, not so good in places.

That's 25 to 37 hours a week.

Assuming 7 hours of sleep a night, that's 21-31% of your waking hours per week.

A casual gamer you are not (it just seems you're trying hard to come across as a casual player).

Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-10-13 06:34:14 UTC
You play for 3-5 hours a night and say you have a life? ....Do you work for 3 hours a day?
Nanatoa
#53 - 2012-10-13 12:25:46 UTC
Loving the heteronormative comments assuming that because he's a man he has to be the breadwinner of the family. Perhaps his wife/husband works 10 to 12 hours days, allowing him to stay home and raise the kids (a work-at-home-dad) and play some EVE when the kids are asleep.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#54 - 2012-10-13 12:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
To cover all your points;

- Nullsec is not empty, trust me, I live there.
- I used to earn 100m per day running missions in a Rattlesnake. You can earn more in a Golum or a Tengu.
- The new Mack is an improvement on the old Hulk for solo mining, don't whine, that's actually an improvement.
( - Also, making ISK afk should be slower than other methods, end of. Sell the minerals smartly and you'll get significantly more than 5m per load.)
- Never tried FW, but everyone I know and play with says its fantastic. So your outvoted apparently.
- Lowsec wasted? Agreed in most part.
- Your doing PvP wrong, if your getting blobbed its because you don't know what your doing.
- You've misunderstood the bounty system. I can't possible correct all your stupidity in one point.

Eve is not dying, subs go up every year like clockwork. Most of this is just based on a false assumption, do some damn research. I think somewhere in this thread someone said he was just a bitter vet... He is not a vet.

Edit: I only play about 1 hour per day. Probably 3 or 4 on weekends.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Generals4
#55 - 2012-10-13 13:39:43 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hi



FW - This is an absolute joke, most FW corps require ten mil sp minimum and the FW *alliance* chat as it were, is just a bunch of people trolling each other because there is no one there to moderate it. The plexes are a joke, frig/dessy plexes, a dude goes in a merlin, full faction fit, we send in 4 dessys to take him out, what does he do? Annihilates us with ease, farms his plex and moves on, if u dont have billions, oh dear?



Tell me how is it FW's fault for you and your buddies to suck so hard you lose 4 dessies against a merlin? I don't care how well his merlin is fitted but if you lose 4 dessies against a merlin you're the one absolutely doing it wrong.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#56 - 2012-10-13 17:23:20 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Andski wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:


Ditch one or two hardeners for tracking enhancers


You're looking at the tip of the iceberg that is that trainwreck of a fit.


I'm going for the low-hanging fruit here


Actually you are griefing his post.
The fit is a good mission fit.
Disconnect is the biggest ship killer in missions. That ship might still be there when you log back in.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
#57 - 2012-10-13 17:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Skaz
Agree with most of OPs points, or at least the gist of it and the spirit of the argument. Although I feel points being left out and professions being forgotten, like manufacturing?

And I'm not of the opinion that EVE is broken or dying, just getting mature.

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Xorth Adimus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-10-14 11:55:18 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Hi


So CCP, this is how your game stands at the moment.
Taranius


I have also been in this game a long time and done a bit of everything.

Null Sec - Agree sov needs to be activity based, empty space is boring.. Disagree pvp corps are in high sec. Don't see straight up fights nor skirmishes just a couple of guys picking on people who generally are incapable of fighting. I don't call this PVP, PVP is challanging and open and I got out of highsec 'PVP' a long time ago because of this. In 0.0 were you live and who you fly with makes the experience 100% different.

Missions - Agree missions are now crap, a long time ago some missions where so hard and so rewarding they required teamwork of 2-4 people, now? its a boring grind themepark and doesn't support team play and has no risk or reward.

Mining - Mining in an organised group is very profitable and many people like it boring (why.. I have never figured out), other people like to pick on them, nice fields and farms. It needs more challenge however for more risk in exploration sites so people have a reason to bring miners orcas exploration logistics and combat ships all supporting each other. It could be awesome if content is added (ie not boring).

FW - Depends who you do it with. Just like 0.0 you fly with morons expect moronic gameplay. FW was poorly conceived and implimented by CCP but at the core is a good feature that just needs some work and balance and requires teamwork to do.

Low Sec pvp/mining - Depends who you do it with. Just like 0.0 you fly with morons expect moronic gameplay. Low sec needs more work and CCP are doing some stuff right now that may make it better or worse. I would like to see pirate content along the lines of FW where you can join pirate factions or concord militia and mix it up. Low sec is ok it just needs more reward for the risk to populate it.

PVP - 'unless you have a decent corp' - you hit the nail on the head I think the issue is you in the end. You could play eve and find it utterly terrible if you never meet the right bunch of people, just like in life. Solo PVP is still possible in a fast high DPS ship, generally the use of an 2nd account scout / recon pilot makes it very hard to be killed unless you do something truly stupid.

Bounty system - Pretty sure you can only shoot people that have been greifing people and someone has kill rights on them and stuck a bounty on them. On paper it may work but I can see this being poorly done by CCP. The whole right click pay for instant kill is potentially flawed, however you know if someone has killrights and PVPs in high sec shouldn't be too worried about having to PVP anytime they are undocked as if they where in 0.0 right? Right? lol the tears of high sec 'pvper' are so so sweet!

Eve is not disintegrating it is constantly changing, keep up or fall off.. but find someone decent to fly with and learn how to play.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#59 - 2012-10-14 12:05:42 UTC
I see you missed out on Wormholes, maybe you should spend your last 8 months trying them out.
Also, for solo/small gang pvp, I hear FW can be good for that.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-10-14 12:11:28 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Missions in a megathron? What?


You clearly have no idea how much you're trolling yourself here, but you gave me a nice smile reading your tiny post. Blink

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