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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-10-12 12:04:11 UTC
I don't always post on the EVE forums, but when I do it's in a whiny 'EVE is dieing' thread.

Dude, just get a RL job if you can't afford plex.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-10-12 12:04:13 UTC
@OP:

There comes a time where paying $15 a month is worth more than the time you'd invest grinding for a PLEX.

You need to decide when that time is instead of coming here to complain on the forums.

If you cannot afford $15 a month to play EVE, you should re-address your life and probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.

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CCP Please Implement
Josef Djugashvilis
#23 - 2012-10-12 12:15:58 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Eve needs communism.


I agree, especially my brand of Communism.

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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#24 - 2012-10-12 12:16:01 UTC
Ronix Aideron wrote:
I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.

Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.



Common sense speaks again, PLEX is not a right. Really you should be paying £10 a month to play and if you can afford a plex go for it. Your not entitled to them and they are part of the joy of a player run economy, one of the things that makes eve so special
Robert De'Arneth
#25 - 2012-10-12 12:22:29 UTC
*plays a small violin for the op* waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa, ccp should not ever stop the player run economy, to even suggest such a thing would force real paying customers to quit. The kind of customers who buy plex so your no paying ass can play. Deal with the prices or move on.

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zzlep Alduin
Alveare Artifex
#26 - 2012-10-12 12:24:41 UTC
Atomyc'al wrote:
Story:
Hello, I am an old eve player, I have 3 accounts... and less and less time to play due to work. I do love the game, I have never paid with real money because the work that i do hardly brings enough money to survive / pay bills.

Problem:
PLEX prices went mad.

1'st possibility:
PLEX prices remain the same. CCP gains lots of $ in a short time. Game gets frustrating; less and less appealing to others like me. Players start quitting EVE. Only those with too much time and too much money remain in game. At one point they will not be enough to populate the huge world of New Eden. Game will become less appealing to them too.
(don't have actual statistics but I have noticed that the number of players has already decreased from what I have been used to)

2'nd possibility:
CCP develops a strategy to counteract 1'st possibility. Makes the game fun to play again. Rekindles the spark that makes us log in every time. The first step to do so would be to drop the PLEX prices. But they shouldn't stop there. The game still needs improvements if it is to survive a market with games like World of Tanks and what not...


Conclusion.
I realy hope something will be done, as I will soon run out of ISK and time, and I will probably join my other friends (that have already left the world of EVE for the one in WoT).
This is MY view of things. Don't know if it's from the right angle or not, but i do feel that others are exactly in my situation.

PLEASE SAVE EVE.


LOL dude - As much as plex is hurting me at the moment there comes a time when its not just the right thing to do and buy a plex - its expected of you if you LOVE THE GAME that much...
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#27 - 2012-10-12 12:29:28 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Renton Brax wrote:
Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right?

Someone paid real money to put that PLEX on the market. CCP got paid.


But if CCP magically lowered the in game value for PLEX it would also reduce the incentive for that 'Someone' to splash out cash for more PLEX to put on the market.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-10-12 12:32:01 UTC
BobFenner wrote:
OK. If ISK is easy to get how can PLEX'es be too expensive? Blink

It's because of ISK is easy to get that the PLEX prices goes through the roof. Higher prices won't hold unless people can actually afford to buy them and that doesn't mean 'everyone'.

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BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#29 - 2012-10-12 12:41:13 UTC
I really think its a pointless post. If you can't afford to run three accounts with real life money then don't. If you haven't got the time to grind ISK for PLEX for three accounts then don't.

Unsub a couple of accounts, save yourself some money and or grinding time and ENJOY the damn GAME for god sake!!
My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-10-12 12:46:43 UTC
Either get a job so you can afford all of your interests, or stop paying for adult sites.

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Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
#31 - 2012-10-12 12:51:41 UTC
Aziesta wrote:
Atomyc'al wrote:
Hello, I am an old eve player, I have 3 accounts... and less and less time to play due to work. I do love the game, I have never paid with real money because the work that i do hardly brings enough money to survive / pay bills.

Option 3: You downgrade to the number of accounts you can afford. Roll


myeah... it saddens me to say this, but most likely i will use Option 4: abort the game.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-10-12 12:51:59 UTC
Ronix Aideron wrote:
I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.

Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.




Renton Brax wrote:
Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right?



Idiots abound LVL4

Nobody plays EVE for free. The plex system is CCP's highest profit margin for monthly game time. CCP probably loves when plex is a bit on the high side, as it is an incentive for people to BUY plex to sell for isk (which is when they get their money). Of course it is a balance as they need people willing to buy the plex for isk as well.
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
#33 - 2012-10-12 12:52:17 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
I don't always post on the EVE forums, but when I do it's in a whiny 'EVE is dieing' thread.

Dude, just get a RL job if you can't afford plex.


glad to do so... you have one for me?
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
#34 - 2012-10-12 12:58:42 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Either get a job so you can afford all of your interests, or stop paying for adult sites.


people pay for adult sites ???
i gotta make me one of those!
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
#35 - 2012-10-12 13:14:09 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
@OP:

There comes a time where paying $15 a month is worth more than the time you'd invest grinding for a PLEX.

You need to decide when that time is instead of coming here to complain on the forums.

If you cannot afford $15 a month to play EVE, you should re-address your life and probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.


you are missing the point.
This point is written by me, but is not only about me !
There are / were more people in my situation... and they might quit (or have already done so). And if a good majorty of the 'non-paying' players quit... to whom will you sell your precious PLEX ? what will happend to the game? will you have enough people to play with?

This post was made to serve as a friendly warning. It's my view on things. We'll see what the future holds for us. I doubt it will reach the ears of those I wish.
Robert De'Arneth
#36 - 2012-10-12 13:23:26 UTC
Atomyc'al wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
@OP:

There comes a time where paying $15 a month is worth more than the time you'd invest grinding for a PLEX.

You need to decide when that time is instead of coming here to complain on the forums.

If you cannot afford $15 a month to play EVE, you should re-address your life and probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.


you are missing the point.
This point is written by me, but is not only about me !
There are / were more people in my situation... and they might quit (or have already done so). And if a good majorty of the 'non-paying' players quit... to whom will you sell your precious PLEX ? what will happend to the game? will you have enough people to play with?

This post was made to serve as a friendly warning. It's my view on things. We'll see what the future holds for us. I doubt it will reach the ears of those I wish.


It did not seem like a freindly warning, it seemed more like a cry thread that states you need plex to play, we are not here to help you make isk for plex, nor is CCP. I will never feel bad about people who use isk to play, I would be fine if they removed plex, and just made a feture to buy ISK. Now that I think on it, this would seem the best way to halt plex prices.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-10-12 13:25:31 UTC
Renton Brax wrote:
Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right?


The thing is, using PLEX for game-time is not free. You're just spending your time rather than your money -- and it's usually a really lousy exchange-ratio, because your RL time is worth way more. Every PLEX in the game represents RL money that someone used to purchase the PLEX in the first place. So really, all PLEX really is is a mechanism to subcontract labor inside of EVE. I have money but no time, so I'll buy a PLEX and convert it to ISK to buy something I want. The ISK I just "bought" comes from other players who spent time in-game doing stuff like missioning. So *really*, I paid them to do the work I was unable or unwilling to do.

I'm aware that there are a lot of EVE players who are not well-heeled, but if ten or fifteen bucks a month is really beyond their capacity, they need to seriously step back and think about whether playing a damned video game is the best use of their time. Rent, food, transport, clothes for the kids, etc. -- all that stuff is far more important.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-10-12 13:28:45 UTC
Supply and Demand. EVE is saved! Everybody rejoice.

/thread

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#39 - 2012-10-12 13:45:17 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Renton Brax wrote:
Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right?

Someone paid real money to put that PLEX on the market. CCP got paid.



Yes, of course, Zagdul, that is indeed a fact, someone paid real money for that PLEX.

Downside to the equation is that those "someone's" who are paying real money to buy PLEX to put onto the market are diminishing, along with real-world economies. World economy = bad, Real money buying PLEX = less.

I'm quite happy with the PLEX prices. It means if someone buys a PLEX with real money (rather buy 12 at a time), they get more "bang per buck" in-game with ISK returns.

Just saying, equations. two-sides.

o7.



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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-10-12 13:49:02 UTC
Atomyc'al wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
@OP:

There comes a time where paying $15 a month is worth more than the time you'd invest grinding for a PLEX.

You need to decide when that time is instead of coming here to complain on the forums.

If you cannot afford $15 a month to play EVE, you should re-address your life and probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.


you are missing the point.
This point is written by me, but is not only about me !
There are / were more people in my situation... and they might quit (or have already done so). And if a good majorty of the 'non-paying' players quit... to whom will you sell your precious PLEX ? what will happend to the game? will you have enough people to play with?

This post was made to serve as a friendly warning. It's my view on things. We'll see what the future holds for us. I doubt it will reach the ears of those I wish.


Total bunk. Short term it doesnt matter if PLEXing player quite. CCP got their PLEX money when the person BOUGHT it, not when you use it to extend gametime.

So say a bunch of people let their accounts lapse due to high PLEX prices. Eventually demand drops for plex in game, then PLEX prices fall and those players re-subscribe their accounts again, demand rises... market at work.
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