Missions & Complexes

imo this is happening.
Concord lp should not be exhangable for empire at all.

also ccp should nerf high sec incursion rewards by 50% isk and lp.

everyone knows there is HUGE amounts of nearly no risk in vanguards which is where the lp and isk come from.

I my self have done high sec incursions. 100+m isk an hour. lp to exchange even at 80% trade with any empire corp. was far too easy mind you my main is a 75m sp char.

the only time incursiosn have any sort of risk is in low sec and or null sec.

We would actually need some numbers to determine if this is the case.

The LP stores are likely also tanking because of the way they dumbed down agents and the relevant social skills.

It would be interesting to know how many concord lp are actually used in other corps.

First off your clain of 100+m isk per hour is a rate, not an absolute, between warping around and waiting for sites to spawn you simply can't sustain that amount , not to mention the competition in highsec incursions.

The 80% lp exchange isn't killing the lp market as concord lp's in general pay more than other npc's. It is far wiser to hold on to your LP's and exchange them for concord items.

Vanguards are easier, but you are understating the risk in incursions. There is risk in assaults and headquarter sites, and it takes a lot more coordination to run those. Not to mention having a live event open up on you.

Also where is it written that making 100 mil per hour in highsec is wrong? My alt in 0.0 easily exceeds that amount, and I know traders/builders in highsec that easily break 100 mil per hour played?

Incursions were a major expansion, with the goal of getting people to work together and the net result is that people are working together. My alt's corp has about 30 new members since incursions came out and uses incursions to allow newer players to work with older players, both having fun. For them, the expansion is doing exactly what it was intended to do.

Besides, when people have more isk, they tend to fly more expensive ships with more expensive mods, I know I do. Which means better drops when they die.

Lastly, lets say you get your wish. Lets say all rewards in highsec incursions are nerfed by a factor of 100. So that instead of getting 100 mil per hour, you were getting 1 mil. Remember that's a rate, and some hours you won't make that. Do you think people will run highsec incursions at all? You can make more solo mining. Do you believe CCP wants nobody running incursions? That they want to release an expansion that about 80% of the people playing won't bother with, since about 80% of the people stay in highsec? Doesn't seem very smart to me. Besides incursions are open to everyone. If it's so outlandish, everybody get a bling ship and run them. Earn this 100+ mil per hour that keeps getting quoted. Gangs form all the time in incursion zones, or better yet get a bunch of corpies and run them together (which is the purpose of an MMO), if everyone's making that income it's not outlandish, but simply the norm.

considering my main made well over 30b isk in 6 months doing high sec missions. yes they pay too much.

Incursions are content that you have to be at the keyboard to complete - in that they're a clear improvement over missions/mining.

If you think rewards for them are too high, get a fleet together and finish the Moms as soon as they spawn - you can only make those 100mil isk per hour when an incursion is up, so if you keep the incursion community from farming them, problem solved.

Group PvE done decently pays as well or better than solo PvE done extraordinarily. Working as intended.

Yes there is risk and no you can't AFK them. Of course the risk is much lower than PvP. I've been doing them for about a month and have seen two ships go pop.

I'd argue it's tag scarcity that's killing LP store profits. There aren't enough tags to meet the demand. I can make more LP per hour blitzing L4s than I can doing incursions.

If you compare the isk faucet from handful of vg systems in at most 3 highsec constellations, to amount of sanctum rat bounty and lvl4 mission rat bounty paid out in eve, it's actually insignificant.

LP, Concord or converted faction, carry trade in price, and is thus an isk sink. This was the reason why CCP nerfed Sanctums so hard, but not lvl4s at the same time. Sanctums are large faucets of liquid isk, with no isk sink attached.

They shouldn't nerf Concord LP or convert it to faction at partial loss, as loss of LP is essentially loss of isk sink. Instead, give Concord shop more desirable items, but at even higher isk sink. The current 250 mil isk trade ins per item are good, but more is always better. The real problem is item offered simply suck, and are not worth it. So the potential isk sink remains in ppl's wallet and unused. Make them good enough, and ppl will pay even 1 bil trade ins.