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New Minnie destroyer... o.O

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Doddy
Excidium.
#81 - 2012-10-09 16:09:37 UTC
The hate is a bit surprising, its not that bad.
Doddy
Excidium.
#82 - 2012-10-09 16:46:07 UTC
And how can anyone think the type 45 isn't a good design? I went and saw one on the clyde and it was quite the most space age thing i have ever seen.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-10-09 17:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: nat longshot
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.

Here are some interesting examples of strange (and not always pretty) but very functional military designs:

KV2

SuperHind

BartiniBeriev

Type45


First off CCP Huskari your takening ideas from stuff thats "1000's of years behind in tech level" makeing the new minne destoryer look like it part ww1/ww2 tank is a very bad idea and makes you and the art crew look like you were smokeing crack at the time you rolled out the idea.
You guys did great with the new Vaga hull but really drop the ball on the new minne destoryer. there'd a reason why world war 1/ 2 tanks are not around there designs are outdated and way behind in tech level's even when they hit the battle field.

How is it you can design the Tempest and the Vagabonds hull to look so good in the winter patch but take the very poor road of useing out date tank designs for the new minne destoyer.

I know the art teams have had a very poor out look of minmatar tech from the start of the game but at this point after sideing with the gal. and other reasons should not the min. designed a hull with form that is now top of the line given they are updateing the vaga,tempest hulls and add in the Tornados great hull.

The art team drop the ball big time and have let down minmatar flyers with a poor hull that ugly as sin.

Btw looking at your pic one the hind pic you post is one of the most heavy armored helio's in the world there slow and a easy target not a good idea to draw from given minmatar use speed vs thick armor like thr russian's do.

Now put the damn Crack pipe down and redo that pile of trash of a destoryer and do it sober.

Oh one last thing taken Ruassin ideas from old out date russian ideas very bad idea if you useing that for Minmatar given your looking at there tanks for ideas. If your going to use russian for your idea's look that there Fighter aircraft's that more along the lines of Minmatar idea's of fast useing any type of tank in your idea for a min ship is just silly and make the art team look like morons.

Know your history about tanks and you'll learn russian has the worst tanks of the super powers there slow under powered and paper thin. Yes even the us m1a1 main battle is 1 of the world best tanks but even though i love that tank useing the hull as hull for a ship's is a bad idea good thing you dont work for me i would have laughed at that hull and fire the the fool that thought it was a good idea a space now maybe a tank in dust that hull might be good for.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!

Celebris Nexterra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-10-10 19:39:45 UTC
nat longshot wrote:

- wall of incoherency -


Pretty sure my IQ just dropped by at least 12 points reading that crap.

Moving on. My biggest problem with the Minmatar destroyer is its design relative to the other new destroyers. The Caldari one is sick, the Gallente one is sick, the Amarr one basically looks like the Coercer, a hull I have never had a problem with. Then you see the purely unimaginative design on the Minmatar destroyer and it's like wtf. The other ones look great, just put the same time into the Minmatar one as the others and we can have a good model that people are either happy with or indifferent to.

I feel like the design should reflect the ship's intended role/role bonuses/ship bonuses. This ship gets a MWD bonus (and is Minmatar) and should therefore be sleek. It should look like it's as fast and hard to hit as it will be.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#85 - 2012-10-11 04:14:03 UTC
CCP Huskarl wrote:
Hey

As the Art Director I just wanted to you give you a quick heads up on what thoughts went into designing the new destroyers. All of them are heavily influenced by historical military machinery and of course the ships functionality plays a big role in the design process as well.

Yes the design of the new Minmatar destroyer would probably not fall under the category of sleek, elegant and pretty anytime soon. And i will gladly admit that its sort of like a flying brick or a Russian WW2 tank with solar panels but that's exactly what we what we thought would make it an interesting and cool addition to the EVE universe and hopefully appealing to some good portion of the players. Plus the texture work on it is one of the best I've seen on a Minmatar ship yet.



Honestly, if i saw a picture of that ship with no reference....Solar Power Garbage Scow is what i see. And if i were to imagine said ship, thats pretty much what i would see.

Doesn't look military at all. Nobody here is asking for 'sleek, elegant, or pretty'....its Minmatar, but most of us would rather not look at a garbage scow when we undock in a warship.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...

Jon Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-10-11 18:09:34 UTC
My .02 ISK on the matter of the new Matari destroyer:

The hull is ugly. That's not that uncommon in New Eden. There are quite a number of aesthetically unpleasing hull designs. Some of them even grow on you . Right now, that's how I feel about this new Matari destroyer. It's ugly. The transition form the boxy hull to the snow-plow-esque radiator panels is jarring, and the 'bridge' boxy bit is even more jarring (as it strongly resembles its tank-like inspiration -- something that feels incredibly out of place in New Eden). But it's close to being one of those 'ugly' designs that could grow on me.

I think the overall design isn't too bad. If it were just tweaked here and there it could join the ranks of the ugly-but-somehow-aesthetically-pleasing hulls.

Regardless, I'm going to pilot this ship. A rocket/light missile spewing destroyer sounds way too fun.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#87 - 2012-10-12 04:52:50 UTC
Doddy wrote:
The hate is a bit surprising, its not that bad.


Yes, yes it IS that bad. The poster who summed it up as a garbage scow with solar panels was spot on.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-10-15 00:48:38 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
My .02 ISK on the matter of the new Matari destroyer:

The hull is ugly. That's not that uncommon in New Eden. There are quite a number of aesthetically unpleasing hull designs. Some of them even grow on you . Right now, that's how I feel about this new Matari destroyer. It's ugly. The transition form the boxy hull to the snow-plow-esque radiator panels is jarring, and the 'bridge' boxy bit is even more jarring (as it strongly resembles its tank-like inspiration -- something that feels incredibly out of place in New Eden). But it's close to being one of those 'ugly' designs that could grow on me.

I think the overall design isn't too bad. If it were just tweaked here and there it could join the ranks of the ugly-but-somehow-aesthetically-pleasing hulls.

Regardless, I'm going to pilot this ship. A rocket/light missile spewing destroyer sounds way too fun.


That.
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-10-15 14:54:14 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'd like to remind you all that the new destroyers aren't the focus of testing, they are incidental WiP contained in the build. The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.


Be that as it may, but I doubt they'd have a problem with the admiration for their great work expressed here.

Gotta admit, I really like the new Caldari destroyer, though the Gallente one's model isn't far behind.

Also, I never thought I'd ever warm up to the Tempest, I really didn't. Its new model definitely shows promise.


Wha...new Tempest model? What is this sorcery (and link it please?)

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#90 - 2012-10-15 22:57:53 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Sirinda wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'd like to remind you all that the new destroyers aren't the focus of testing, they are incidental WiP contained in the build. The art team have not requested early focus on their work nor are the actively seeking feedback so will not be monitoring threads.


Be that as it may, but I doubt they'd have a problem with the admiration for their great work expressed here.

Gotta admit, I really like the new Caldari destroyer, though the Gallente one's model isn't far behind.

Also, I never thought I'd ever warm up to the Tempest, I really didn't. Its new model definitely shows promise.


Wha...new Tempest model? What is this sorcery (and link it please?)


i giv eyou the new tempest http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k5Eif63YEOA#t=89s
marVLs
#91 - 2012-10-16 09:22:36 UTC
I think it's not so bad but could be better

But wtf with Amarr?! Seriously it's just redone Coercer... big fail
RangerGord
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#92 - 2012-10-17 02:22:37 UTC
yes, the new tempest rocks... the new snow plowing garbage scow needs to be put out of its (and our) misery

CCP seems to be of the mindset they know best, despite feedback, but with recent examples of pushed expansions and major changes that weren't finished or ready despite warning i think they are just competing with each other on how many unsubs they can get with each release

which begs the question, after everyone unsubs i wonder what prize the winners get?
Alexa Coates
Coalition Of Misfits
#93 - 2012-10-17 21:58:15 UTC
marVLs wrote:
I think it's not so bad but could be better

But wtf with Amarr?! Seriously it's just redone Coercer... big fail

all amarr boats look the same, deal w/ it.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#94 - 2012-10-21 02:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.
Jon Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-10-21 04:55:25 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.

It's nice to know the art guys are listening. That looks a lot better.

I'm not sure the side bits are the answer, but the transition from the radiator panels to the hull is a lot smother and not so abrupt. The back end of the hull also looks like it tapers in a bit. Another good decision.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#96 - 2012-10-22 13:14:45 UTC
When I first saw the model, I thought it was a bit strange even for Minmatar standards. I then remembered it's going to be full of missile launchers at both sides, effectively being more menacing... I have to say I'm loving it more and more as time passes: I truly love those frontal pannels, and the bridge.
Same applies for the other destroyers, specially the Caldari one (looks like a seaship). Above all, I'm eager to see them all ingame.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#97 - 2012-10-22 14:14:48 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.


All i can see that they changed was added an antenna set to the front of each side. So now it looks like a snow plowing/solar powered garbage scow WITH SENSORS. Still just as dumb.

And to the poster that says it will look better with launchers. Not likely, the turrets on dessy hulls aren't exactly huge. And remember the new trend to make the hulls larger so the turrets seem even smaller?

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...

Solhild
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-10-22 20:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Solhild
Panhead4411 wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.


All i can see that they changed was added an antenna set to the front of each side. So now it looks like a snow plowing/solar powered garbage scow WITH SENSORS. Still just as dumb.

And to the poster that says it will look better with launchers. Not likely, the turrets on dessy hulls aren't exactly huge. And remember the new trend to make the hulls larger so the turrets seem even smaller?


Here it is with launchers 1 2, I tried to get some decent shots but I'm afraid that the design of the thing makes it difficult! I'm not a fan, seems pretty obvious that CCP are leaving us with this as is Cry

On a lighter note, it's great to fly Big smile
Planktal
Kenshao Industries
#99 - 2012-10-23 02:38:25 UTC
Solhild wrote:
On a lighter note, it's great to fly Big smile


Yes it is, Loaded with rockets and MWD I feel like I'm doing a drive-by Twisted

Here sanity, nice sanity.....THWOOK Got the bastard

Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#100 - 2012-10-23 20:28:21 UTC
Solhild wrote:
Panhead4411 wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Well, they are trying.
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/20121021003206.jpg

Compared to
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178174_10151200446844394_960725359_o.jpg

So it is in flux and still WIP. Though I knew we were going to get the same general shape. They are trying to make a fast brick. Something you can proudly hurtle though your enemies front windshield.


All i can see that they changed was added an antenna set to the front of each side. So now it looks like a snow plowing/solar powered garbage scow WITH SENSORS. Still just as dumb.

And to the poster that says it will look better with launchers. Not likely, the turrets on dessy hulls aren't exactly huge. And remember the new trend to make the hulls larger so the turrets seem even smaller?


Here it is with launchers 1 2, I tried to get some decent shots but I'm afraid that the design of the thing makes it difficult! I'm not a fan, seems pretty obvious that CCP are leaving us with this as is Cry

On a lighter note, it's great to fly Big smile
Well, I still like the hull as it is :)