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what is up with the plex in eve.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#141 - 2012-10-10 15:04:07 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
They cannot control what value you, I or anyone else personally assign to an item.

Of course they can. By controlling the flow of ISK into the game and the methods people use to acquire that ISK, they can dictate the values people place on their ISK and therefore dictate the prices people are willing to buy and sell commodities.

If it takes the average high-sec mission runner 600 hours to generate 600m ISK, high-sec mission runners will not buy PLEX for 600m because it is not worth their ISK. At the same time, CCP could make mining yields much higher by tweaking numbers. They could flood the market with resources and drive down the prices of ships and modules so all the high-sec mission runners earning 1m ISK per hour could easily afford ships and modules. They still can't afford plex though.

On the opposite side of the coin, CCP could change missions to pay out roughly 600m ISK per hour. Then all mission runners will be happy to pay 600m ISK for Plex because it would be barely effort for them at all. At the same time they could reduce ore yields, forcing the prices of ships and modules to some absurd level.

I hope that helps you understand how CCP has the power to fully control the economy.

Oh god.
Doddy
Excidium.
#142 - 2012-10-10 15:04:16 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
plex prices are approaching 700m. this is going to make it verty very hard to have multiple accounts especially for people like myself who spend 150 dollars a month for our paid accounts and have more paid with plexes.

the issues its that i can't make enough money in my current play time to fund all my accounts with plex, so here is what i prapose.

1. increase level 4 mission isk payouts by 50%
2. increase incursion payouts by 50%
3. increase the buying price of minerals 200%

this will make plexes affordable again.
solved.


reposted ty isd 40 for poinitng out the problem


700 mil is a nights gaming on one char, even if you are not abusing fw for billions.
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-10-10 15:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Nupis
Thanks. EVE is notorious for misinformation. Sorry if anyone was mislead by my post.

I don't think CCP see it as anything other than an exploit which is why is is being nerfed though.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#144 - 2012-10-10 15:06:55 UTC
Yes currently FW is being abused by being able to speed tank sites in order to amass lots of LP. However as I stated this only affects wealth distribution, so players are able to gain a lot of isk through selling LP items to other players. Though it shouldn't affect overall plex prices unless: people are making more alts and using plex for alts(demand increases), or FW members are hoarding massive amounts of plexes(limiting supply).

We will see if FW actually played a role in inflating the price when they nerf FW speed tanking sites.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#145 - 2012-10-10 15:07:07 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*

It affects the price of Plex because the LP farmers are using their profits to buy Plex.

Oh god.
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-10-10 15:08:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*

It affects the price of Plex because the LP farmers are using their profits to buy Plex.



This is exactly what the guy told me.
ISquishWorms
#147 - 2012-10-10 15:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISquishWorms
Riot Girl wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
They cannot control what value you, I or anyone else personally assign to an item.

Of course they can. By controlling the flow of ISK into the game and the methods people use to acquire that ISK, they can dictate the values people place on their ISK and therefore dictate the prices people are willing to buy and sell commodities.

If it takes the average high-sec mission runner 600 hours to generate 600m ISK, high-sec mission runners will not buy PLEX for 600m because it is not worth their ISK. At the same time, CCP could make mining yields much higher by tweaking numbers. They could flood the market with resources and drive down the prices of ships and modules so all the high-sec mission runners earning 1m ISK per hour could easily afford ships and modules. They still can't afford plex though.

On the opposite side of the coin, CCP could change missions to pay out roughly 600m ISK per hour. Then all mission runners will be happy to pay 600m ISK for Plex because it would be barely effort for them at all. At the same time they could reduce ore yields, forcing the prices of ships and modules to some absurd level.

I hope that helps you understand how CCP has the power to fully control the economy.



Totally agree.

Some still don't understand the difference between player driven and player controlled. The EVE ecconomy is player driven sure but it is controlled by CCP. Only CCP can control how much ISK is available in EVE for example they decide how many roids spawn, how many drops you get from plexes/rats, even what missions are handed out. It is CCP that controls how much ISK can be made in a given time, they have to be able to in order to balance this with the ISK that is removed from the ecconomy, if they had no control over this things would get messy very quickly.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
Seniae 0n3
#148 - 2012-10-10 15:19:42 UTC
I don't need to use exploits or LP stuff from FW (yes I play FW as well next to my carebearing) to make enough isk for a plex not even at these prices. Using FW, LP and whatever exploits as an excuse does not solve the issue of expensive PLEX.

The idea is rather simple ... if PLEX are around 300mil ISK then wth would i PAY real cash for gametime. I make 300mil isk in no time and have 10 alts on that. Who in their right mind would want to sell PLEX (real cash) for isk when the PLEX is 300mil isk? It's not worth your real job working time. Though I do think CCP could lower the gametime prices to 7.5 to 10 bucks a month. That would be nice for everyone in the game.
Skylitsa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-10-10 16:19:04 UTC
I won't pay 700M for PLEX just to log in the game for 10 mins a day. There come periods in the lives of some of us that the sole reason of playing is to be able to afford a PLEX so we can renew for a month and keep accumulating skillpoints. Unless PLEX prices drop to their former value (CCP banning bots/manipulating PLEX market or w/e) this company is gonna lose customers.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#150 - 2012-10-10 16:29:47 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well someone, who shall remain unnamed has buying plex like they were going out of style, he decieded to make more ISK off them, so he buys and resells them, he does this to make a nice profit, despite what you hear these days, profit is not now or ever has it been a dirty word.

I do not plex, I like my games to be fun and working for isk to play sounds like, wait for it, wait for it, work!! I do support the people making the plex cost go up so high, and hope it soon tops a billion ISK. I cannot imagine the tears of the people who have to pay 1 billion!!






Some people do not have the time that children or freeloaders do to grind isk in hulks all day.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-10-10 16:31:49 UTC
Good, I like this development. If they get any higher maybe I'll buy a few PLEXes now, because screw grinding spaceship ISK.
Skylitsa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2012-10-10 17:07:50 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Good, I like this development. If they get any higher maybe I'll buy a few PLEXes now, because screw grinding spaceship ISK.


So you are gonna buy your overpriced PLEX?
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-10-10 17:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Holder man24 wrote:
Here's how i see it
1. CCP has royally ****** this game up to where the little guy gets ****** over

2. CCP needs to fix their **** up and help the new players not the ******* larger alliance who control the game and just cause they are the biggest alliances in the games doesnt mean they get the only voice in this game

3. Fix the god damn plex prices this is stupid just cause you want to earn a few bucks and forget about your player base wow CCP ******* WOW!!!

4 and final MAKE ALLIANCES HAVE A MAX NUMBER *snip*

ALSO I LOVE PANDAS *snip*


I don't approve of this kind of thing, but I simply cannot resist:

U MAD, BRO?

/I am so sorry.

EDIT: Just removing parts of that quote, don't mind me - ISD Type40.
Movement Runner
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-10-10 17:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Movement Runner
1 plex = $15 ?
$15 = 620m

Not even gold farmers could offer it that cheap. Something is broken here.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#155 - 2012-10-10 19:33:25 UTC
Movement Runner wrote:
1 plex = $15 ?
$15 = 620m

Not even gold farmers could offer it that cheap. Something is broken here.


Has it occurred to you that the gold farmers might be the ones buying the plex? It seems reasonable that people would farm LP to buy plex to sell on their own third party website for real cash. I wonder if CCP has considered that.

Oh god.
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-10-10 19:35:19 UTC
I am sure they have. The coming nerfs to the afk FW LP exploit will settle things down a bit.
MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
Doomheim
#157 - 2012-10-20 19:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: MurKoN Kador Mahyisti
The PLEX price is now stupid, and out of control!

It is SO obvious that CCP are pushing out play-for-free options for the play-for-cash option, and YES of course CCP are behind all this, anyone that thinks otherwise is just plain STUPID!

EVE has 'for years' benefitted from the play-for-cash player + his play-for-free alt, in some cases 2 or 3 alts on play-for-free due to the once easy ability to earn isk in game.

BUT this has now all changed and CCP want as much RL cash out of people as they can get, this is SO FKN OBVIOUS.

The problem with this that it will eventually FK up the game for them, greed has always turned bad.

CCP, there is currently a worldwide recession going on, people are losing their jobs, homes and even worse - and you allow this stupid 'GAME' inflation to happen - stop RIPPING people OFF - and dont bother to send your army of trolls here trying to push the blame elsewhere, it is YOU! simple.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-10-20 20:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Fett
MurKoN Kador Mahyisti wrote:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.



Are you dense? Plex is not, nor has it ever been play for free. Ever since it was introduced, PLEX is bought with real life money. Every PLEX bought in game with isk, was originally bought with real life money. CCP has never seeded PLEX (if there was some special in game event or tournament where CCP gave plex as a prize that doesn't count). PLEX is and always has been bought by those with more money than free time, and sold to those with more free time than money. CCP likes when people use PLEX as PLEX cost $5 more than a 1mo subscription.

You are right CCP wants to get as much money as possible, that's how business stay open. That's probably why they introduced PLEX which both widens their player base and gives them an extra $5 a person.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#159 - 2012-10-20 21:12:57 UTC
In the UK EVE is £10 a month. If £10 for a whole month of your hobby is too much then you probably have bigger financial issues that being able to pay for your EVE account.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#160 - 2012-10-20 21:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
What happened is this:

if( ISK_TO_BE_MADE_IS_MORE_EASY ){

echo "more players make iskies";

}

if( MORE_PLAYERS_ARE_MAKING_ISK ){

echo "There is now more demand for plex and less demand to sell for isk..
plex now costs more..";

}

if( PLEX_COST_MORE ){

echo "pay with isk";

}
elseif( PLAYER_HAS_REAL_LIFE_MONIES ){

echo "pay for account with real monies";

}else{

echo "Just cancel your account!";

}


echo "$35 REALIFE MONIES IS WORTH MORE THAN 600 IMAGINARY MILLION ISK!!";

echo "go get a job and provide for your family bums, sort ya life out!!! eve is NOT real!";

..