EVE General Discussion

Please enlighten us oh fount of knowledge.

Actually, before this the remote repper had no aggression timer for his repping another player and could dock/jump at any point, effectively making him immune to effective counter attack.

I am disagree. You will just need to adapt, just like everyone else does when changes occur.

People always say this. But in my opinion eve is just a game. Either it is fun or it isnt. If it isnt fun anymore because of some change that the dev's make - why should I adapt? I should compromise to keep playing a game that isnt fun just to help the iclandic economy? F-that! Let them fish for a living.

well you could always play a different game,
if somebody takes something that they own, and modify it how they want...and you don't like it anymore, why would you stay.

Adapt or go Play WoW ->

You do know that miners never adapted and that gankers have had at least one nerf a year (several this year). If anything gankers are the most adaptable players in EVE...

What I see CCP doing for the game with these changes is basicly two things. First to make the mechanics easier to understand and secondly fixing the player moderated sandbox. The second aspect is more interesting and important in my oppinion. The first is just fixing old code, patching abuses and creating a foundation for the second part.

Currently the criminal aspects and consequenses of EVE are actually quite limited. They're predictable to the point, that we have forum arguments about do they contain any risk at all, since there is so little practical chance of anything unexpected happening. Whether you steal or gank it almost never leads to anything besides the immediate and predictable, but CCP clearly planned differently. There are killrights and a bounty system already in the game, but neither of them do what they are supposed to do.

Bounties are just broken. The conditions how killrights are created mean they aren't created often enough and because they are non-transferrable, they are not really utilized. EVE is all about player stories, but I don't recall hearing a single killright/bounty hunting story during my years here. It's pathetic, that in a game where players are notorious for adapting and exploiting game mechanics for personal gain, those two mechanics haven't managed to produce anything worth mentioning in all the years they've been in the game.

With the changes this winter CCP is deepening the sandbox and the criminal aspects of the game. It isn't just an A->B affair anymore, but will involve a lot more people and be more unpredictable. This will also open loads of new opportunities for player interaction and the stories EVE is known for. We might finally get a real bounty hunting profession and allow third parties to get involved in conflicts between criminals and their victims. All this makes for a better and more involved sandbox and all it costs is having to listen to the pitiful lamentation of gankbears. Totally worth it in my book.

Actually, WoW is worse when it comes to constant changes. They design the game to hold eveyone's hand all the way to max lvl with out doing one single global pvp fight(pvp not in arena or battleground). 6+ yrs of WoW and then I joined EVE. I had been playing on easy mode that whole time.

I apologize for going off topic, just making a point. As far as can tipping (country in me, reminds me of cow tipping. it's about the same) goes, never done it myself but I have been interested in it. Read up on it, etc...

Sounds like the patch is a job for multiboxing, not sure on the details but I'm sure someone familiar with it can find a way around it with boxing and constantly terminating and creating alts.

You could team up with a partner and have trash alts on the side that actually do the tipping and dump another can. Once that's done, that alt can be deleted upon next login. If the miner goes for the bait and tips that can, your partner can come in for some 1v1. Not sure how this would actually work for I have not tested it and don't can tip myself. I'm sure someone would be willing to test it.

Sure, go ahead and bash a newb for thinking and trying to come up with ideas. I dont hear the vets doing much thinking.

Nah, he used !!!! instead of !!?!