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CCP kicking you to the side of the road?
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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1 - 2012-10-10 13:36:15 UTC
According to the various Dev blogs a considerable number of play styles are being severely curtailed or eliminated by CCP in the up coming expansion -- can flipper, baiter of can flippers, ganking for profit, solo small ship (e.g. sb) hunting of missioners, etc. . . If you were one of the players who participated in these play styles what do you expect to be doing after the update? Will you move to low/null? Or maybe kick ccp/eve to the side of the road and play mechwarrior online, or some other game?

I, for one, used to be heavily in to can flipping and baiting competing can flippers. I also greatly enjoyed hunting missioners in small ships - so this expansion hits my personal playstyle right where it hurts. In response I moved to low sec. But the sec loss/grind there is annoying. I tried the null thing and its blob/bubble play is not for me. So while I expect I will continue playing eve, I anticipate lowering my game time in favor of other games (XCOM). So what about you guys out there?

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-10-10 13:38:11 UTC
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON

YOU KNOW WHAT!

ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!

THIS IS MY GAME!
I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!

im a pubby and im proud
Doddy
Excidium.
#3 - 2012-10-10 13:39:42 UTC
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#4 - 2012-10-10 13:40:34 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON

YOU KNOW WHAT!

ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!

THIS IS MY GAME!
I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!



Clearly when you use all caps everyone will agree with you.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#5 - 2012-10-10 13:41:14 UTC
Yeah goon! Big smile

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-10-10 13:41:36 UTC
I don't see how any of what you say is actually happening. What is happening is, that poor knowledge of aggression mechanics aren't going to get noobies killed as easily and criminal activity can more easily lead to escalating fights. This will lead to increased danger and unknown situations for the aggressor, but if you're not a gankbear, I don't see what the big deal is. All it means is more fights for you for the same amount of effort.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-10-10 13:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
I used to be really big into can flipping and general solo griefing. Infact, I was in a corporation that was built around harassment, can flipping, bait canning. We did it to incite war dec's. It was quite fun.


CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it. I lost an Ishkur to a rifter due to neutral reps once :(


You will just have to can flip in a larger ship and actually have some balls. If anything, Can flipping will be what people actually want it to be, a way to get a lot of fights. Can flip someone, and you are suddenly red to every one that is paying attention (which isnt very many in highsec)

So, the guy that is running the belts with a frigate or destro fit to kill small frig rats will say "oh look, a bad guy, im going to shoot him" and you proceed to tear him a new ******** in your pvp fit ship.

Conversely, if you really suck at paying attention to who is near you in the belt, you could die.

FC, what do?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#8 - 2012-10-10 13:42:53 UTC
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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#9 - 2012-10-10 13:43:36 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON

YOU KNOW WHAT!

ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!

THIS IS MY GAME!
I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!


MY EYES!!!

COPY AND PASTE THIS AWESOMENESS!!! THIS IS THE ANSWER!!

or

WAT!

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#10 - 2012-10-10 13:43:37 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.


That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Doddy
Excidium.
#11 - 2012-10-10 13:44:59 UTC
highonpop wrote:


CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it.

.


Erm you have always been able to do something about that, crimewatch will make precisely no difference other than the repper will also now be able to shoot you first.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#12 - 2012-10-10 13:45:43 UTC
Its called adapting. With the new crimewatch mechanics I'm sure there will be easy ways to manipulate the system to get people to aggress an alt which then will create new professions. It's strange how people claim that CCP is killing a profession like ninja salvaging, and mission ganking thinking that they were ALWAYs in the game or mainstream. None of those professions where really utilized until after the new scanning system was introduced. Change opens new doors for those who are willing to look. People now just whine and rage.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-10 13:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. What do you think makes you entitled to being able to use the same ship, the same fittings, the same strategies, the same target, and always achieve the same success, forever?
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-10-10 13:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Torvin Yulus
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something.


easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex.
i demand EQUITY!

im a pubby and im proud
Dirty Wizard
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-10-10 13:47:32 UTC
I feel slightly dumberer for reading this thread.

(signature removed due to stupid)
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#16 - 2012-10-10 13:47:54 UTC
highonpop wrote:
I used to be really big into can flipping and general solo griefing. Infact, I was in a corporation that was built around harassment, can flipping, bait canning. We did it to incite war dec's. It was quite fun.


CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it.


You will just have to can flip in a larger ship and actually have some balls. If anything, Can flipping will be what people actually want it to be, a way to get a lot of fights. Can flip someone, and you are suddenly red to every one that is paying attention (which isnt very many in highsec)

So, the guy that is running the belts with a frigate or destro fit to kill small frig rats will say "oh look, a bad guy, im going to shoot him" and you proceed to tear him a new ******** in your pvp fit ship.

Conversely, if you really suck at paying attention to who is near you in the belt, you could die.


I dont know why people keep saying that smart players will find a way around it. There are only so many points of interaction between players in the game. CCP has expressly stated that with the new lock system they expect can fliping to die. In fact, go out into the game now and try and actually find a can miner. You simply cant have can flipping without can miners. Sure you have the usual cans in front of jita undock - but thats all consensual combat. So unless ccp does something to barges - there will be no getting around the lack of cans to do can flipping "smarter."

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2012-10-10 13:47:56 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something.


easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex.
i demand EQUITY!


You lost all credit by mentioning -A-.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-10-10 13:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
highonpop wrote:
Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it.

Guess how we are going to adapt?

That's right we're going to bring even more neutral guardians and hug the station even harder, because that's how you mitigate the risk of potentially being shot at by anybody in system. And some other stuff that I'm not going to disclose, some of it actually involving what you do with the guardians, but mostly the first part.

Fights go from being inside mission pockets and asteroid belts and involving single individuals versus single individuals or small groups from the same corporation to being big old clusterfucks outside the station.
Doddy
Excidium.
#19 - 2012-10-10 13:48:24 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.


That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.


What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-10-10 13:48:49 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something.


easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex.
i demand EQUITY!


You lost all credit by mentioning -A-.


i'm just mentioning the two leaders of the HBC which is dedicated to ganknig hulks and enslaving carebears.

did i offend you goonie?

im a pubby and im proud
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