Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you need to get in line behind Cruise using SB pilots, Nano pilots, SC pilots with max subcap drone skills, and no doubt a host of others to get the cold shoulder.

The obvious issue with that idea is that the use of our skills, regardless of their place in the balance, can't be used unless we are subbed anyways. So what is CCP getting that we aren't willingly giving just for access to the server? Or are you suggesting that there are some who will simply refuse to do anything but train till they become proficient with another ships after these changes?

As far as the remaps, CCP obviously feels more obligated to game balance than to the perceived value of SP which should be understood as not static as balance changes can and do happen.

Yeah, other races like Amarr has solid T1 cruiser line up.
FYI, Amarr had most broken T1 ship line up in frigates and cruisers before they started rebalancing.

OMG @ these "Nighthawk will be broken" posts... Let me tell you the one very important fact: Cerb and Nighthawk are already broken "because Tengu can do it better".

I'm going to have to agree with this.

Honestly, with the hml rebalance and with the eventual tengu nerf, it's not going to be the lvl 4 missioning missile boat of choice that it is now.

That said, the sole purpose for me to train for this tengu was merely for lvl 4 missions. I don't use it for pvp, wh space, low/null sec roams, or even exploration.
I use it 100% wholy and solely for lvl 4 missions.
If it's not going to be near as capable as it is now, well, then CCP has essentially taken away the only purpose for me to train for it.

So, I'd like to have my SP into the tengu, and t2 heavy missiles refunded. I say t2 missiles because if they were never usable for lvl 4 missions to begin with, then I wouldn't have trained hmls past lvl 4.

That's somewhere around 1.9 mil SP.
I could totally put that towards some turre skills that I would actually use in lvl 4 missions.

Tech Two Missiles
-Remove ship penalties from tech two missiles (ship velocity and signature radius)
-Precision: Increase bonuses to explosion velocity to +20%, increase damage to match T1 missiles
-Fury: Increase damage bonus to +35%, reduce flight time to 50% of T1, unify penalties to explosion radius (+72%) and velocity (-16%) across the sizes
-Javelin: Just remove ship penalties
-Rage: Increase damage bonus to +35%, Unify flight time to match T1, unify velocity penalty (-16.7%), unify penalty to explosion velocity (-14%), increase penalty to explosion radius (+72%)


Nice to see that T2 missles are getting tweeked but I found the reduced flight time on fury to be quite to high. I understand that some buffs will bring nerfs which fine but rather then have a 50% reduction why not make it a 25%? Personaly I would like to keep their flight time the same but to compensate why not bring the damage buff down to 30% from the proposed 35% and the improved explosion radius buff from 72% down to maybe around 60-65%? We get to keep the range but trade some of the buffing power to do so.

If their must be a universal cut to flight time then so be it but that 50% is rather excessive and I believe should be reconsidered. The idea of seeing a T2 fury cruise missle getting its range reduced to a range that would be under 100km is gut wrenching considering cruise are the only long range missle battleship weapon. When compared to other race battleship sized long range weapons they would pale in comparison. Again if the flight time of fury must be reduced please reconsider the amount you are wanting to do so by.

I prefer Gallente and Minmatar frigates to Caldari. But the Caldari frigates are solid at this time.



IF TDs work then everyone will use them. If they do not work then there is no point fitting them on any ship. If they require a special bonused ship to make them function, there is no point wasting time coding it into the game.



Caldari ships already suffer from a shortage of mid and low slots. They really don't have extra slots to devote to TEs and TCs.



No, I do not believe that anyone at CCP wants to screw Caldari players (and their own paychecks) over.

I think that CCP has somehow adopted a certain mindset when it comes to Caldari. You can see it over and over again, and in every ship and weapon balance decision that they make.

When it comes to the other races, there is a VISION there, and the ships reflect this. The devs put passion into it, and they clearly try to make the ships as good as they can in whatever that role happens to be. This can be seen clearly, for example, in the new combat cruiser proposals. Consider the Minmatar Rupture. The Minmatar vision is fast, versatile, high DPS but fragile ships operating in falloff. They are the Klingons of Eve. So when it came time to design the new super ruppie, that's what CCP did. They made it incredibly fast and agile, they gave it a full flight of drones and one extra to spare, the made it light so it would accelerate quickly, the gave if a utility high and the grid to fit a medium neut. And with four mid slots, coupled with it's speed, it has the option of fighting in disruptor range as a shield nano-cruiser, or going armor and using those four mids for prop, scram, web, and TD. It is, in every way, the very definition of Minmatar design.

Or consider the new Vexor. The same thing applies. It's getting much faster, it's actually more agile than a ruppie, it's gaining over a thousand extra tank in both hull and armor. It fills the Gallente vision of hull/armor tanked high DPS / short range combat perfectly. The new super vexor genuinely has it all. It's a nasty little ship.

Then there's the Moa. It's Caldari. At one time I suspect that CCP had a vision for the Caldari as well -- long range missile and rail DPS coupled with powerful electronic warfare and ECM. But over time they have decided that they don't really want either to be a part of their game. Understandable, but with nothing to replace this the new CCP vision for the Caldari can be summed up in a single word:

Mediocrity.

In practice what we tend to get are purposeless generic hulls that do nothing particularly well, and in too many cases don't even rise to that level of failure. Flying Caldari is like being a soldier in Sadam's army. You've got enemies talking up how scary you are, you've got superiors spewing BS, but you know that your tanks and planes are nowhere near up to the job and your role is to die gloriously as the star of someone's victory video.

The Moa starts out as the slowest of the new cruisers. It's also the heaviest, so it accelates slower as well. It has the second to lowest number of drones. And it starts out with the least combined tank of any of them. In other words, it starts at the bottom in virtually every stat, all the way across the board. And it doesn't get any better from there. Because there's no vision. You can look at the goofy numbers and the shortage of midslots and see instantly that CCP doesn't have a clue what this ship is supposed to do. They just threw something together and called it good. It's Caldari after all.

But like I said, I don't believe anyone at CCP has some plan that involves screwing a quarter of their players. But then that doesn't matter. Whether it's by design or indifference the result is the same. And that's what I would like to see CCP address. Not next month or next year, but now.

AC cane will slaughter HML drake.. Unless its drake blob with logi support...

And about T1 cruisers.. They sucks for all races.. Id be willing to pew only with rupture.. Rest are crap atm.

Wait... What?

Ever tried to hit a moving target with high angular velocity using any of the long range medium sized turrets at 15-25km?

If no, I recommend trying 720s.

Id recommend dual web loki with 720's works everytime

What about compensation for none-HML pilots then?
All this time that heavy missiles were OP, they were fighting unfair battle. Some of them (maybe most in fact) even knew their weapon system was inferior, but refused to make yet some more contribution into turning EVE Online into Drake&Tengu Online. They deserve encouragement, dont you think?

But seriously, folks. You now have a chance to open a new chapter in your way in EVE. And you want to skrew it with SP reimbursement? Do you really think that if you manage to train for new ship and/or weapon in easy-mode, it will make you happy? Only through struggle gain we strength. So dont be lazy, stop whining - and adapt.