EVE General Discussion

Repeating for what I said from the motard that opened another thread on the same topic

Those that want to affect change I would say take the fight to the market, Don't buy the friggin plex if you think its so inflated, your accounts run out of time??? So be it. Your game play gets interruped??? So be it, No enough Wife agro??? So be it.
Instead of whining on forums organize a boycott. Lessen the demand on the market for a few months, I will say this again and again buyers set the market, not CCP, not GM, not CSM and not even Soundwave "B U Y E R S" do.

I've let three accts lapse due to the current PLEX prices with two more coming up shortly.

I'm not angry or anything. I completely understand that PLEX is a commodity like anything else in this game and subject to selling for what people are willing to pay for them. I'm just not willing to pay over half a bil per acct for a months gameplay. Some players are good with this but I'm not a grinder so half my accts go into stasis until such time as I can afford them on what my manufacturers can make comfortably.

I might mention though, that if more people took my example and actually unsubbed accts instead of paying 600M for the privileged of whining in a game forum, the tide might shift.

If you care to dig, you will see that I predicted this situation years ago when CCP first got into the RMT business, so it certainly comes as no surprise me and shouldn't come a surprise to anyone else who's been playing for a while.

One of the major reasons most MMOs fail, (other than planned obsolescence) is that due to everyone eventually owning all the best stuff. The in-game currency starts to pile up to the point where we have priced stuff to the point that new players simply can't afford the price of admission, so go look for a game that is actually fun.

This is what I see happening here, but not for the same reasons. The reason here is that CCP will happily sell you all the ISK you want. The ISK in this game just keeps on piling up and not being removed at the same rate. *Cue Tippia and her little charts* Although the end result is the same. The price of admission is too high for noobs and many vets just can't be arsed to maintain more accts than the minimum needed at the time for what they want to be doing.

The subs will start to decline.

Not a good thing, in my opinion.

Mr Epeen

You made a good post but I feel the need to point out that this statement is completely wrong. CCP does not sell ISK, they sell game time which can be traded for ISK which only enters the game only through player action.

1) There was an EvE before PLEX.
2) All "the best stuff" doesn't mean that much in EvE... other than more juice in the target. ex. Drake blobs / Nightmare blobs
3) Nobody needs to put the right to yammer in the forums in ISK terms. Just pay your sub.
4) DUST. I'll bet you a billion ISK there are a million subbed accounts a month after DUST has "officially" launched. You want to take that action?

Is there a noob tax on buying plex?

Your prediction meant nothing then and means nothing now. CCP does not benefit from this increased cost of PLEX. They are not driving the cost up. The lack of PLEX on the market is. They players are. CCP also doesn't sell ISK to the players. You just have a very inaccurate and skewed view of things.

Nobody would buy PLEX if they couldn't sell it on the market, hth

I really like your conspiracy theory that they they are buying them using alts and burning them. best conspiracy theory that i have heard in a long time. entertaining. In all seriousness though, there is no conspiracy theory behind the fact that it is a business and they are trying to make plexes get eaten up wherever they can by making it so we can undock with them, get clothes with them, etc. as for the resculpt, that was there before incarna except you just bought it direclty with cash rather than with plex.

as for the isk sink/plex sink thing... while i agree that increased isk sinks may be necessary, eve players really just refuse to face the music about the eve economy: isk is produced by combat pilots. stuff is produced by industry pilots. there are too many combat pilots and not enough industry pilots. thus, too much isk and not enough stuff. duh. (faction items and w-space are weird exceptions) this means massive isk for players who make and mine stuff, and also for people with access to moon goo. ccp is working on fixing this by buffing mining with new ship(s) and by making moon goo mineable, something they have stated they are planning, and they already buffed mining by fixing drone alloys, although that has had a significant part in the hyperinflation parituclarly given that it was concurrent with mass bot bannings. this would get more players into industry and also deal with the inherent problems with the moon economy. don't go screaming for ccp about the hyperinflation when eve players made it by insisting on exclusively flying combat ships and doing everything in our power to only make money using them while at the same time breeding a culture of "pvp is everthing, miners are pathetic." if we ask ccp to fix this one we are asking them to ruin eve's core--it's economy, and it's an admission that as players, or as a player, we would prefer for this to not be a sandbox after all.

plex prices going up? of course there are more plex sinks, no conspiracy there about why that is happening. but there is also hyperinflation, and anyone who complains about thatis just bad at teh eve.

also, new tempest/stabber will def drive prices up in those and their T2 counterparts, so i look forward to that.

They are actually hurting CCP by adding more lag. If you forget about the players online count it's better for CCP to have 1 player buying 10 PLEXes than 10 players buying 1 PLEX each.

Then i honestly have to ask you, what kind of accounts do you have ? What are your toons trained up as ?

I have 4 accounts. I have absolutely no problem supporting 3 of them (or even all 4) with PLEX, solely by sticking to high sec, through missioning or mining. I am also a fairly casual player, i dont think im online more than 2 - 3 hours a day, at most, not even on the weekends.

My accounts are basically :

Main : The missionrunner. Can also pilot an exhumer.
Alt 1 : The industrialist. My Orca pilot, Noctis pilot, Freighter pilot, etc.
Alt 2 : The PvP'er. Recently started retraining towards piloting an exhumer as i dont PvP at the moment.
Alt 3 : The newbie. About a month old, training towards an exhumer.

When i run missions i only ever use the two top accounts (although it would be faster to bring in the third, i dont want the extra hassle as i only have one monitor).

For mining i use all 4, but only one of them can pilot an exhumer.

With this, which is a far cry from a "perfect" setup, and with limited time online per day, i easily make over 2 billion a month.

Granted, none of this can be said to be "exciting gameplay", both missioning and mining is rather dull (mining much more so), but if you have 6 accounts, what exactly do you do with them ? If 4 of them are Titan pilots on eternal standby, then i understand the problem.. if not, then i..well. i dont really :)