Warfare & Tactics

Good day, Cearain:

I look at finding quality fights and hits as being like hunting.

If you go deer hunting, you could be waiting from minutes to eight hours... sometimes you get a deer, and sometimes you walk home with nothing.

The Tuskers often get good small gang activity; and solo in our area tends to reasonably good.

I've not done any calculations to determine how many small gang fights per hour or solo fights per hour.

What our KB doesn't show is like last night when five of us get into frigate hulls, tackle a Gila and ransom the ship for 250,000,000 isk. Each of us getting 50 million isk as a share of the ransom.

If your statistics are correct, a good fight every one to two hours isn't terrible. Yes, it would be nice if it was better; but it could also be a lot worse.

I do think CCP could make real change (you know, the type paying customers actually ask to have in place), but I'm not sure if they are at the mind set of the customer is right as the first rule of customer service.

Thank you.

Mara

Deer hunting sounds incredibly boring to me.

I have a sense of how long it takes to find fights because with certain fits I use boosters. They wind down 60 minutes.

I guess from sort of a role play perspective of what eve offers us as immortals you can choose several different things. You can be merchant. You can be a pirate that preys on ships that can't effectively fight back. You can be a politico and go for power in null sec.

But the game sort of fails at what I want. I just want to be a pilot constantly being thrown into combat. I would like to be good at being a combat pilot. I would like the fact am good at being a combat pilot make *some* difference in the outcome of the battles. Eve doesn’t really offer this.



Taram

Yeah I’m really not looking to eve as a means to meeting new friends. Wife, kids, and other responsibilities makes the possibility of me spending allot of time socializing and maintaining friendships on the internet pretty remote.

I think eve is a sandbox. That is people should be able to do with it what they want. If people don’t really want to while away the hours “chatting it up” on ts that shouldn’t mean eve is not for them. Unless they want to rule out people like me. Again I think it’s great that some people do make friends on eve. But not everyone looks to a computer game as some sort of new social media time sink.

Yes, of course, group efforts can and should be able to do things people on their own can’t. But ccp is really starting to get annoying with this cramming “socializing” down our throats bit. I socialize allot irl, I am not looking to computer spaceship game to do more socializing. If I am going to dedicate more time to socializing it’s going to be with my family, relatives and friends.

Look at the stupid pay outs for incursions. “Three of you did the work of seven pilots in clearing out the sansha? Great but we are not going to pay you for the doing the work of 7 people. In fact we are not even going to pay you for the work of 3. Because we think we are your mother and we think you don’t socialize enough. So you need to start talking with everyone else in eve and not just shoot at ships for a few hours a week. We are going to punish you unless you start taking the time to develop these internet friendships in addition to the time you are actually playing the game." There is no other realistic explanation for why they don’t give the full pay to the smaller group that accomplishes the same task.

Again that’s great that you think eve is all about making friends. But there is no reason it shouldn’t be an enjoyable game for someone who would rather not sign up for a whole new social media time sink. Really I want to fly internet spaceships, not chat it up. There is no reason eve can’t offer something for both of us.

It is a sandbox but it's also an MMORPG which is, by definition, a game that's meant to be played with other people. Whether you want to make friends in the game or not is up to you and it's entirely ok if you just want to go out and do stuff on your own. The bottom line is that it's STILL a game. And, yes, it's a sandbox in which you can do whatever you like. But at the end of the day it's a game that's designed, from the ground up, to be a team oriented experience. If you choose not to play it that way that's cool but you shouldn't expect to get quite the same experience as those who are playing it in the way it was actually designed to be played.

I'm not saying you should consider it a social medium or that it's even required to have fun. But if you just want to solo and such you shouldn't be surprised when things get boring from time to time in a game that's entirely designed and built around the idea of player interactions.

Honestly it sounds like you want arena-style combat and EVE just isn't a place where you're going to get that outside of planned tourney type events or pre arranged fights with another player or group of players. As for PVE? I don't see how you can say incursions don't reward you for doing the same work with fewer people. The fewer folks in the group the more isk you get since the payout is static and the payout is split equally amongst the pilots present. They do limit max payment for player, however, but that is basically to prevent people from being able to farm far too much isk from them. Frankly incursions already pay more than they should.

When I was playing regularly I would log on, fly around by myself or one or two other corpies, and generally find 4-5 fights in a two-three hour play session. I probably could have averaged more but it takes a bit to reship after dying.

If you frequently roam you'll be able to identify hotspots where you can decent fights relatively quickly, and use your time more efficiently. Getting frequent solo 'fights' is pretty easy - as long as you don't define that fight as you versus one other dude in a fight to the death. I had just as much fun with 'fights' that involved playing with 15 man gangs trying to pull tackle or weaker ships off to kill - sometimes you're successful, sometimes you're not, but either way the adrenaline will get pumping.

I'm not trying to tell you that 'you're doing it wrong', but simply to assure you that others have been able to make your playstyle (solo, just looking for PvP) work pretty well. I'm not sure if you're not roaming the right areas or if your definitions of enjoyable PvP are much narrower, but I do have to respectfully disagree that there is no room in EVE for solo, non-corp focused pvping. You will have to put in work to get these fights - but I find the pre-combat hunt to be half the fun anyway, so I use the term 'work' loosely.

The closest I've come to PvP on demand was when I found a pirate corp that regularly camped a highsec gate with 3-10 people. They were aggressive and willing to engage, so jumping in to them almost always guaranteed a fight of some kind, which was usually entertaining. When I only had a short time to play, I could grab a BS/nano ship and jump into that camp and get some kind of fight out of it guaranteed - look around in your local area to see if there's a similar situation you can exploit.

There already are a lot of balanced games .

I do not need another.

I want an unfair world where it is difficult to make something because of the badasses.

The only thing I would like to have is the possibilty to create traps for my ennemies.

Acidic Clouds, Unstable ruins that could explose, or NPC Allies that could defend me.

These trap places would appear in space randomly and last one or two days.

The idea is to introduce new war options based on exploration.

So the choice of the Battlefield would change the face of the fight.

It exists because some people like pvp and it takes a long time (about 1.5hours/ fight) to find decent pvp in eve.



I'm not sure when this was. It may have been like that years ago. But I don't think its like that any longer.

As far as what I do: I am in faction war. I roam the mainlines and off the mainlines of the fw area. I usually log on about 8pm with several ships already fully fitted. I usually will get about 1 fight before I log off about 10. Sometimes though I won't even get that. Then its just a wasted 2 hours. And I am counting fights where no one even dies like if ecm drones save at the last minute or someone can warp out due to the other dropping point due to range or cap. But I am only counting situations where both sides are actually firing. Not counting gate camps or times when as soon as you engage a falcon warps in and you are perma-jammed out.

Your saying 4 fights per 2 hours would be possible on some nights but that would be very rare. You would have several nights, looking for 2 hours, with no pvp in between the nights where you get 4 decent fights per 2 hours.

It was about a month ago, I think. I'd recommend getting the hell out of FW, to be honest. FW attracts the wrong kind of people for gudfites, in general, unless you're taking advantage of plex mechanics. Try Minmatar/Amarr lowsec near hubs, that's where I've had the most success.

Fit to be able to fight outnumbered or disengage, so kiting/boosted tanking ships. Yes, there will be some slow nights, and some where you seem to have a fight every system you jump into, but on average I consistently got much more than one fight every ninety minutes.

It also helps to get a local network of people in an informal intel channel. Saved me a lot of time roaming around myself when someone would report 'flashy hurricane chasing me in the belts of x system' - you hop on over and get a goodfight right there. These informal networks are generally best made via shooting people, so you'll have to chill in one area for a bit to get them set up.

Again, not saying you're doing it wrong, just letting you know it's definitely possible.

phew thank god my two ships that were smoked last night didn't happen!

Beckett Firesnake

Looking at battleclinic, I see you have 1 kill and 22 losses. Yet you want eve to be even more unfair?






Now that we have someone from goose swarm calling others dumb, the thread is complete. Thanks for your contribution. But mother goose is calling you back to your carebearing to make her rich. So you better run along now.

I'm not sure why you couldn't do everything a piracy corp does (except be in an alliance) and still be in fw. Its not like when you are in faction war concord comes if you engage anyone other than the opposing militia.

If you get more targets because you can engage both militias that would make some sense. Are there any other opportunities to pvp that being outside fw allows that you couldn't do in fw?

So many of my current fights are at plexes or at gates (in ships that can't tank the gate guns) it seems hard to believe I would get more fights if I eliminated them.

I understand there may be role play reasons or reasons having to do with being in an alliance why pirate corps don't join fw. But from a purely most pvp per hour perspective it doesn't make sense to me. You can just fight more stuff in more situations if you join fw.

If you are in fw then you can use plex mechanics to help get fights. You can also engage more wartargets at gates and stations without having to wait out gccs.

If you are in an alliance with an equally large number of wartargets in the area then I guess it would be more or less of a wash. What is the view on this?