EVE General Discussion

They said so, yes. Our definition of "out of control" doesn't mean crap to CCP.
Only way they will act on PLEX prices is when they notice a significant drop in active players.

All PLEX in game is already paid for (no matter how old PLEX are), and CCP spent the money on WoD / Dust, so what better way to get new cash? Force players to "pay to play" instead of "play to pay".
I do have an acc in null, playing 1-2 hours in anoms to get 100+m more for increased PLEX price is not hard.
Its boring like hell, worse than L4s. Just warp in, shoot, maybe orbit a can if incoming dps gets too much and keep an eye on local, incredibly risky....even more if you are deep in alliance space. (this was sarcasm)

I have ISK, could sub 2 accs for a year+ each easily, but i wont. Max till new year, if even that.
Sub with CC? Hell no, just for principle of things.

At 600 mil it's close to reaching the breaking point for me. Soon it will make more sense for me to stop paying CCP directly and instead, i'll just buy a GTC. I'll use one plex to renew my account and convert the other into isk and reinvest that isk in something that makes me more isk. Sooner or later, i'll be playing for free again while all the new players have been priced out of the game. WIN!

i think the underlying question isnt whether or not someone can afford a plex or two, but rather is inflation/devaluation of isk setting in.

*edit* I can think of only one person qualified to make that call as it is his JOB within CCP to monitor that kind of thing :)

From my perspective, what's "really" going on is this:

People are buying PLEX from CCP to sell for ISK. Being impatient to get their ISK injection quickly, they sell their PLEX to buy orders (i.e.: right-click, "Sell this item", sold).

Other people are buying PLEX with ISK to extend their game time. Being leave-it-to-the-last-minute types, or living-from-hand-to-mouth types, they save up their ISK, then buy from sell orders.

Both groups are doing it exactly wrong. In the middle are speculators who are posting the high buy orders and low sell orders. A speculator can keep flipping their PLEX once or twice a day for a 2-5% profit after taxes. The more PLEX they obtain, the more sales they'll own, or the more regions they'll be trading in.

Throw into the mix the Faction Warfare plex spinners who fit a fast ship with no weapons and a decent capacitor tank. They make billions of ISK a month, then immediately go and spend it. The spikes in PLEX prices that occur during cash outs are indicative of the FW spinner folk being low on long term planning capability or "delayed gratification". These are the same fools who transport tens of PLEX in battlecruisers or other similar ships (i.e.: non-cloaky, or cheaper to gank than the potential drop). So not only do they drive the sell orders up (by buying from sell orders because they have billions of ISK burning a hole in their pocket) but they destroy those PLEX with no benefit to anyone in the game. Very selfish of them, IMHO.

So between the routine speculators who are simply trading in PLEX to fund their retirements and the FW plexers who have nothing better to do with their ill-gotten gains than buy heaps of PLEX to then lose in a splodey ball, I think there's more than enough explanation for the steady inflation of PLEX prices without resorting to "ISK inflation of the economy" or "L4 missions pay too much" (that canard has been doing the rounds since at least 2008).

If you're selling PLEX for ISK, make sure you list it on a sell order and be prepared to wait entire hours for it to sell. Just hang in there, it'll sell. If you're buying PLEX with ISK, make sure you post a buy order and be prepared to wait entire hours for your order to be filled. You might need to babysit the order and bump the price up a few times, but it will be far cheaper in the long run than buying the PLEX from a sell order.

Of course you can go ahead and blame moon goo, L4 missions, unemployed people with too much time on their hands, ice harvesting bots, or the Jove. But from what I've seen, the three groups of people I've just mentioned are good enough explanation for me.

Until the buyers and sellers wise up, or CCP places limits on the number of PLEX market transactions per character/account, I expect PLEX to continue to rise inexorably. CCP could inject PLEX into the market from their confiscated stockpile, but that will simply allow the speculators to boost their speculating base, accelerating inflation.

You see, you too think about ISK/hour ratio. Even this couple minutes spend babysitting buy order don't seem worthwhile, only "must make ISK (and fun... orbiting)".

MUST... MAKE... ISK.

ISK zombies.

You make the mistake of assuming, that income levels only matter to people who care only about making ISK. We all have to make money somehow and for many it's all about minimizing the amount of grinding you have to do to get it. Maximizing ISK/h means less time spent on grinding and more spent on enjoying the game. Some even go so far as to spend RL money, so they can sell PLEXs and have others do their grinding for them. Naturally some people enjoy the ISK making experience, but certainly not all, and for them it makes perfect sense to gravitate to the most efficient ISK/hour activity available.

CONCORD should floot the market with PLEX? So you mean, CCP should gift the players game time? PLEX are paid game time. CCP received money for it. CONCORD is an imaginary intitution within EVE, not paying money to CCP. Therefore it would also be a loss for CCP.

And on the other hand: If a lot of accounts are being suspended due to high PLEX prices, these players won't buy them on ingame market any more, thus the demand for PLEX is falling, selling them is more difficult, therefore price is expected to fall.

As long as there are players willing to pay such high PLEX prices, these prices won't fall.

Ive been here since 03 u little scrub, n ive seen plenty for forum trolls like u, the game is dieing and has been for the past 3 years, u havent seen a rise in subs, uve seen a rise in alts. u damn fool, every troll like u has no clue and sits on these forums dad after day commenting on every post because u have grown so bored with eve u dont even play but u cant bring urself to quit

because your pathetic lonley people who like being morons to others because it makes u feel better

In before the lock... :D

Plex reminds me of credit crunch in a way...


they said: BUY HOUSES!!!! OR YOU WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM AFTER!!!


*credit crunch happened


UPS!!! sorry all!!!


Plex goes up, buut as some people mentioned already, it will go down fast, when stockpilers will dump it all. i see back in the day plex were like 250mil.... i am not surprised that a lot of people could have stockpiled hundreds of damn thing...