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Why the Federation and Minmatar are allies

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Ruby Amatucci
Tomorrowland Orphanage
#41 - 2012-10-09 04:25:09 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
Why is freedom so important a concept? Shouldn't achieving happiness be considered more important for a society then achieving freedom? If you can make your people happy without them being free then why is freedom necessary?

That's exactly right! Unhappy people are broken people. They walk around and are sad or lonely or angry all day, because something is wrong inside their heads.

Since they are broken, they need to be repaired. And sometimes the idea of that is a little scary. But after they've had a slice of cake, a big hug and maybe a bit of surgery, they always feel loads better, forever and ever and ever.

I hope that one day, everybody will be happy.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-10-09 07:59:15 UTC
now, having argued into existence this happy fun dream land where everybody gets what they want, I must of course puncture it.

What I was talking about earlier is the ideal. It's what happens when things all fall into place. When the system works, when the opportunities are available, when the citizen has clear and identifiable predilections.

If we actually worked exclusively in that way, we'd have serious manpower shortages in some critical, labour-intensive but unpleasant sectors.

So, the education booths are shot through with propaganda. I remember them clearly: "Will you serve your people?", "The State needs good workers!" and so on. And always, the lectures on heiian, on the philosophy of finding purpose in service and in duty. We were educated not only in what interested us, but also in what the State needed, and taught to believe that the most moral thing a person can do is to knowingly and freely give of themselves for the greater good.

It works. Many children my age in the State were tube kids. A lot, like me, were corp-orphans, growing up in corporate creches while our parents were on duty somewhere. The environment is calculated to produce a sense of community, belonging, and duty. It worked on me - I would have loved to be a jeweler. To this day, it's a craft I still dabble in. I could have pursued it as a career, if I had wanted. Instead I kept punching the "Would you like to know more?" buttons and learning about things the corporation needed, and I agreed with the message. So, I gave up on being a jeweler and stayed fit and joined the Ishukone Watch at the age of 16 and... well. history. twenty-five years later I became a capsuleer.

I chose to serve. Freely, willingly, and gladly. It was fulfilling, it made me probably a better person than I would have been if I had become Hakatain the Jeweler, and for all that there are some dark episodes in my Watch service, I remain proud to have served and think that I left the world a better place for doing it.

All of which is probably why I get so irritated when people equate the State with the Empire and describe our conditions as "brutal" or "oppressive" or "the next best thing to slavery". It's why I will always fight the State's side in such arguments, and why I will demand that anybody looking to judge us needs to first understand us. I've followed a path I chose in life, I was never forced into anything, and it's delivered me to somewhere that, had I just followed my desires, I would never have got to. Maybe somewhere out in the quantum foam is Yakiya Hakatain who makes bespoke executive jewelery for the rich and powerful and I'm sure he's a reasonably content man. Here on this branch of time's tree is Verin Hakatain, capsuleer, and I KNOW he's content with his life choices.

He's also, in all iterations of that changing history, a free man. And I will not let anybody claim otherwise.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2012-10-09 09:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Well said Hakatain-haan. It is this culture of choices, hard choices though they might be, which attracted me to the State. I consider myself fortunate enough to have had the best that the Federation could offer in education, but I still look upon some of those growing up within the State with a sense of mild jealousy, knowing that they have a greater sense of purpose and significantly higher levels of career-directed support. The concept of these children, adolescents and young adults being 'slaves to the system' is at best humorous repetition of cultural revisionism on the part of the four year old education reforms ushered in by the Federation at the advent of the Empyrean war; at worst it is willful ignorance of the fact that any education can be argued to be institutionalization - be it as a member of a family unit, society, commune or other structure.

I am fortunate to have had experience growing up in two cultures and living now in a third, and the truth of the matter is - all of our schools aim to propagate the values we as societies have experienced. To bring this onto the topic of Federation/Republic relations: Schools in both societies have overtones of the concept of liberty as a high moral value and right at their core, for fundamentally different reasons. The reason that the former General Inhonores is not accusing the Republican Minmatar of being slaves, all diplomatic and social faux pas aside, is because at present, their ideologies align. Their education systems do not produce people with incompatible views on 'the way things should be' even should such views be different. I am sure this would be a very different story if the Republic was more heavily populated with Voluval literalists or other extreme belief systems that espouse some value the Federation does not agree with. Then we'd get either 'see no evil' diplomatic opportunism to preserve their critical alliance with the Republic, or similar snide 'all equal, but the Fed more so' rhetoric with asides concerning the 'harsh lives and social exclusion based on symbolism, of some indigenous peoples of the Republic' in a patronizing, paternal tone similar to that seen in the original post.

Long story short, a slave can be described at the highest level of abstraction, as someone willing to live (whether by choice or refusal to rise up against force) in the middle or lower tiers of a society you take exception to. One willing to forgo the remote, likely suicidal chance to 'take a stand and take command' in the name of ideals decreed as unpalatable to the elite and working classes alike. We have Gallentean slaves to a system espousing art for arts sake, of meaningless vapid saccharine entertainment in the interests of inspiring their children to greater creative acts with little value to the citizens of the State, Empire or even the Republic. We have Intaki slaves who feel that this is a good way to live, forgetting their own values in the face of a, some would say, stronger ideology that has treated them well in body but poorly in spirit. We have Minmatar who are metaphorical slaves to their hatred and ignorance from an Amarrian point of view and Amarr who are slaves to a God who doesn't exist to the staunch Atheists among us.

Essentially, ladies and gentlemen, we wear the chains of one another's prejudice against the way in which we are happy to live. In my case, the perceived chains in which Inhonores has placed the Caldari feel comfortable and light indeed.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2012-10-09 22:22:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Im saying only what im saying and not saying what Inhonores saying that Im saying, because Im not Inhonores and Im not saying what he is saying, I am saying only what Im saying myself! Ok?


This should be proof enough that Kim is quite insane.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Atkio Vanamoinen
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
#45 - 2012-10-10 01:26:50 UTC
Bringing the conversation back to the topic brought up by Pilot Inhonores, that of the nature of the alliance between the Gallente and Minmatar (or properly, the Federation and the Republic)...

You're entirely mistaken, Lieutenant Commander. The Federation and the Republic are allies because the relationship profits them both. This is what all good, healthy relationships are founded on: mutual growth and benefit. Anything else would be an unhealthy relationship, with one of the members assuming a subservient position and the other a dominant one. This is a recipe for unhappiness, inefficiency, and social disorder. Much like social welfare.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-10-15 22:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Gussarde en Welle
Atkio Vanamoinen wrote:
Bringing the conversation back to the topic brought up by Pilot Inhonores, that of the nature of the alliance between the Gallente and Minmatar (or properly, the Federation and the Republic)...

You're entirely mistaken, Lieutenant Commander. The Federation and the Republic are allies because the relationship profits them both. This is what all good, healthy relationships are founded on: mutual growth and benefit. Anything else would be an unhealthy relationship, with one of the members assuming a subservient position and the other a dominant one. This is a recipe for unhappiness, inefficiency, and social disorder. Much like social welfare.


Ultimately, we are allies because we believe strongly in the future success of the Matari people. Their ingenuity and innate toughness will inevitably put greatness within their grasp. We Gallente understand what it takes to be great. P
Atkio Vanamoinen
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
#47 - 2012-10-15 23:32:10 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Atkio Vanamoinen wrote:
Bringing the conversation back to the topic brought up by Pilot Inhonores, that of the nature of the alliance between the Gallente and Minmatar (or properly, the Federation and the Republic)...

You're entirely mistaken, Lieutenant Commander. The Federation and the Republic are allies because the relationship profits them both. This is what all good, healthy relationships are founded on: mutual growth and benefit. Anything else would be an unhealthy relationship, with one of the members assuming a subservient position and the other a dominant one. This is a recipe for unhappiness, inefficiency, and social disorder. Much like social welfare.


Ultimately, we are allies because we believe strongly in the future success of the Matari people. Their ingenuity and innate toughness will inevitably put greatness within their grasp. We Gallente understand what it takes to be great. P


I greatly encourage and support the various Matari peoples in their efforts. May their republic see great prosperity and success.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2012-10-16 07:20:04 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
I present to you the following:

A miserable free man is better than a contented slave


Large segments of the Gallentean and Matari civilizations believe in this ideal, and many in both groups are willing to die for that belief, even myself.



Unfortunately for you all, the Gallente government actually believes this:

It is easier to control a slave that thinks he is free.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#49 - 2012-10-16 07:43:16 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
This is pretty accurate. Even though I'm hardly a state loyalist, I firmly believe that a man with a duty to perform is superior to a man without. I imagine this viewpoint is common among Caldari. The Amarr as well, though they have a slightly different (yet still completely valid) view of duty.


Freedom and fighting for the right to self determinate for your people, is a stronger duty than you'll ever know, our sense of duty is all the stronger because we are not forced to believe it.

.....

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-10-17 13:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
There exists no such thing as absolute freedom in any civilized society that is under the rule of law, for the freedom of an individual is always to some degree limited by the law which is determined through and accepted by the majority of the citizenry through its government. Both the State and Federation seek to provide freedom of the individual in a general sense, there are only points of divergence in how limits are placed upon it due to fundamental differences on the concept of liberty itself which may briefly be summarized as:

Liberty in the Caldari State: The pursuit of individual liberty is through providing the means by which they are able to emancipate themselves from detrimental aspects of life which negatively impact their happiness and quality of life whether it may be poverty, disease, or lack of education. The means by which this is achieved is via community, collective effort and society at large - whether that community is family, friends, corporation or the State itself. It is through working for the greater good and ensuring that collective organizations an individual is a part of are kept strong and stable through the law that an individual's self-interest and personal desires are met for those organizations become better able to meet them. Participation in governance is decided purely on talent, ability and merit for they are the qualities best suited to ensuring effective organizational leadership and thus the preservation of personal freedoms of those that they lead. The focus on community and joint institutions such as the corporation as the means of delivering and preserving freedoms and liberties for the individual also means a greater emphasis on ensuring their freedom from restrictions by outside agencies.

Liberty in the Gallente Federation: In accordance with the liberal-democratic tradition, individual liberty is maintained through ensuring restrictions on any aspects of society or government which would interfere in the unmitigated pursuit of self-interest above and beyond any other considerations. The individual citizen is promoted to pursue their own desires even if it may be contrary to the greater benefit of their fellows or society and the pursuit of personal fame, wealth and power are esteemed to be the highest virtues to abide by. The diminishing of the rule of law and cultural norms that would interfere in the liberal concept of liberty leads to society whereby there may potentially be a greater degree of personal freedoms but at the cost of decreased social cohesion, increased criminality and anti-social behavior in addition to a lack of opportunities and support in a nation which holds self-interest and personal desires above all else.

As such from the perspective of a State citizen both in the past and in the present, the concept as regards Freedom and the Federation is not:

A miserable free man is better than a contented slave

But rather what the Federation appears to actually offer is:

A miserable free man is better than a contented free man


Given such choices is it not unsurprising that Caldari would much prefer to be free and be provided with the opportunities to pursue their dreams, desires and happiness in freedom and liberty when all the Federation promises is the freedom to live in misery and poverty subjected to the whims of the powerful and greedy?

Now as for why the Federation and Republic are allies I hardly think that when Prime Minister Shakor is effectively a Dictator since the dissolution of parliament and who rules with almost no oversight or constitutional checks that it is an alliance founded on ideological brotherhood or fellowship on the grounds of freedom, liberty and liberal-democracy but rather political mutual interest and the self-interest of the Tribes to realize their own ambitions and self-determination with Federal funding.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-10-17 16:55:35 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
There exists no such thing as absolute freedom in any civilized society that is under the rule of law, for the freedom of an individual is always to some degree limited by the law which is determined through and accepted by the majority of the citizenry through its government. Both the State and Federation seek to provide freedom of the individual in a general sense, there are only points of divergence in how limits are placed upon it due to fundamental differences on the concept of liberty itself which may briefly be summarized as:

Liberty in the Caldari State: The pursuit of individual liberty is through providing the means by which they are able to emancipate themselves from detrimental aspects of life which negatively impact their happiness and quality of life whether it may be poverty, disease, or lack of education. The means by which this is achieved is via community, collective effort and society at large - whether that community is family, friends, corporation or the State itself. It is through working for the greater good and ensuring that collective organizations an individual is a part of are kept strong and stable through the law that an individual's self-interest and personal desires are met for those organizations become better able to meet them. Participation in governance is decided purely on talent, ability and merit for they are the qualities best suited to ensuring effective organizational leadership and thus the preservation of personal freedoms of those that they lead. The focus on community and joint institutions such as the corporation as the means of delivering and preserving freedoms and liberties for the individual also means a greater emphasis on ensuring their freedom from restrictions by outside agencies.

Liberty in the Gallente Federation: In accordance with the liberal-democratic tradition, individual liberty is maintained through ensuring restrictions on any aspects of society or government which would interfere in the unmitigated pursuit of self-interest above and beyond any other considerations. The individual citizen is promoted to pursue their own desires even if it may be contrary to the greater benefit of their fellows or society and the pursuit of personal fame, wealth and power are esteemed to be the highest virtues to abide by. The diminishing of the rule of law and cultural norms that would interfere in the liberal concept of liberty leads to society whereby there may potentially be a greater degree of personal freedoms but at the cost of decreased social cohesion, increased criminality and anti-social behavior in addition to a lack of opportunities and support in a nation which holds self-interest and personal desires above all else.

As such from the perspective of a State citizen both in the past and in the present, the concept as regards Freedom and the Federation is not:

A miserable free man is better than a contented slave

But rather what the Federation appears to actually offer is:

A miserable free man is better than a contented free man


Given such choices is it not unsurprising that Caldari would much prefer to be free and be provided with the opportunities to pursue their dreams, desires and happiness in freedom and liberty when all the Federation promises is the freedom to live in misery and poverty subjected to the whims of the powerful and greedy?

Now as for why the Federation and Republic are allies I hardly think that when Prime Minister Shakor is effectively a Dictator since the dissolution of parliament and who rules with almost no oversight or constitutional checks that it is an alliance founded not on ideological brotherhood or fellowship on the grounds of freedom, liberty and liberal-democracy but rather political mutual interest and the self-interest of the Tribes to realize their own ambitions and self-determination with Federal funding.



Oh please. This is the same, beaten old mantra I hear out of the mouth of every Caldari nationalist I cross paths with. The Caldari notion of freedom is based on harsh, semi-feudal dogma enforced by a cadre of elitist dictators to mitigate conflict between hostile groups of small-minded people scratching it out on barren, inhospitable planets. You can pretend it comes from some kind of altruistic impulse but we all know the truth. You hide behind your pompous military academies and interstellar corporate buildings, but the truth is revealed when you walk through Caldari cities. Sullen-faced, nearly starving children dressed up in uniforms like little robots and herded around from place to place so they can struggle through a 14-hour schoolday. Civilians that have their shops open from dawn to dusk while the poor and indigent are made to sweep the street for a meal. Why don't you get out of your corporate uniform, take a shuttle down planetside and stop in somewhere for a bowl of Fah sometime? I think the reality of Caldari culture looks a little different outside of an office building or warship. I've seen Amarr houseslaves treated better than your civilians.









Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-10-18 08:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
"Live free in the Federation, the land of peace and prosperity."

If these words were not true there'd not be millions of immigrants lining up to live inside our borders. Now if this was propaganda or just sly advertising, these same people could always leave.

They don't.

"A free man is more than the individual that has cast his chains aside but he also lives and fights for the freedom of others."

These are all quotes from some of our greatest philosophers, leaders and nationals. Quotes any child of the Federation has heard at least once in their education.

How can the individual that treasures freedom and liberty just stand there and watch the opressed suffer and go about his daily life?

Now I'm not naive and I'm actually more realistic than idealistic when it comes to politics. The alliance between the Federation and the Republic is strictly political. However our peoples have an intricate bond, so it was a easy pill for the common Federation or Republic man to swallow, if any pill at all.

Both Empires will remain steadfast allies as long we fundamentally share common ideals. That is how history is written because in the end symbols cause the most impression among the common man.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-10-18 13:33:41 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
"Live free in the Federation, the land of peace and prosperity."

If these words were not true there'd not be millions of immigrants lining up to live inside our borders. Now if this was propaganda or just sly advertising, these same people could always leave.

They don't.


Human nature in action: our species has always preferred a warm and fuzzy lie to a cold, hard truth. The impulse is so powerful that most people will put themselves through hell rather than admit that maybe they were wrong to believe the advertising tagline.

Sell most people a product, and then show them a better made, more efficient, more attractive and all-round superior version of that same product that's also cheaper, and they will go to superhuman lengths to try and persuade you (and more importantly themselves) that the one they got is still, somehow, better.

anybody who buys that "live free in the Federation" nonsense has failed to realise something: Success isn't a function of where you live, it's a function of what you do.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-10-18 14:48:05 UTC
I never said the Federation is a golden ticket to success.

However they have equal opportunity to success, no matter who they might be, where they are from and what their beliefs are.

If they don't want success, if they want to just live a simple life in peace they can do so as well. They will still be treated as fairly, they can still vote and run for office, etc....

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-10-19 05:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Gussarde en Welle wrote:

Oh please. This is the same, beaten old mantra I hear out of the mouth of every Caldari nationalist I cross paths with. The Caldari notion of freedom is based on harsh, semi-feudal dogma enforced by a cadre of elitist dictators to mitigate conflict between hostile groups of small-minded people scratching it out on barren, inhospitable planets. You can pretend it comes from some kind of altruistic impulse but we all know the truth. You hide behind your pompous military academies and interstellar corporate buildings, but the truth is revealed when you walk through Caldari cities. Sullen-faced, nearly starving children dressed up in uniforms like little robots and herded around from place to place so they can struggle through a 14-hour schoolday. Civilians that have their shops open from dawn to dusk while the poor and indigent are made to sweep the street for a meal. Why don't you get out of your corporate uniform, take a shuttle down planetside and stop in somewhere for a bowl of Fah sometime? I think the reality of Caldari culture looks a little different outside of an office building or warship. I've seen Amarr houseslaves treated better than your civilians.


There is a distinction between a Caldari who leads the life of the dishonored, disgraced and disassociated without virtue and loyalty to the State and a full corporate citizen who through hard work, duty, responsibility and obligation to the society and culture that bore them are rewarded for their efforts with peace, security and prosperity. Can life be harsh for those that lose corporate citizenship or whom seek to live outside the laws and structure of the corporation and State? Yes. Necessarily so. If one loses their citizenship then it is either through failure or a breach of the law, as such a life lived in shame is fitting if the punishment does not require death. Those who do not uphold their social responsibilities either through criminal acts or a failure in duty are no civilians, they are not citizens and are effectively persona non grata whose lives, freedoms and quality of life are no longer the concern of the State and its citizens they have shunned through their actions.

Federal propagandists may wish to portray such people and the parasitic existence that they lead in the State as the "average" citizen when they are not. They are nothing more than those that are to be held with the same contempt one reserves for a mange-infested dog that must be kicked so that they know their place, unworthy of either kindness or compassion by those citizens that know their duty and obligations to the State and Corporation and the freedoms and liberties that they grant are not extended to those that are no longer part of either. Those that contribute nothing, deserve nothing. To not punish failure to society and the greater good of the State with harshness and severity only further encourages and promotes failure.

As for specific points:

Gussarde en Welle wrote:
...semi-feudal dogma...


A misconception. As flawed as mistaking the corporate system as being, "Semi-tribal" - in fact, any other kind of social or communal grouping. Just because an apple and an orange are both fruits does not make them the same. A Caldari Megacorporation has very little in common with either an Amarrian House or Minmatar Tribe aside from superficial similarities in seeking to provide common bonds and shared interests. The society and culture of the State fundamentally differs and a Caldari Megacorporation differs in how it seeks to provide common bonds and shared interests to its employees - chief among them is that advancement and leadership is decided solely on individual merit and ability and not on grounds of heredity, religion, class, or family to name a few. One needs only look to State Executor Heth to see that it is possible to ascend the corporate ladder to leadership through talent, determination and initiative.

Gussarde en Welle wrote:
...cadre of elitist dictators...


I would say there is little in common with the hypocritical de jure political tyranny of either President Jacus Roden or Prime Minister Darius Shakor who in both instances speak of the preservation of freedom and democracy yet grasp power through the unconstitutional breaches of the law and civil liberties through the dissolution of parliamentary assemblies on one hand and the use of secret police like the Black Eagles on the other. In the State, just as a corporate leader rules so must he serve those he is responsible over. It is a system of consensus whereby power is granted to those best fit to lead and their position is maintained only through success - failure to do so leads to removal through a variety of means both legal and social.

Gussarde en Welle wrote:
You can pretend it comes from some kind of altruistic impulse...


Altruism is best reserved for family and friends for its use or promotion in civic, professional or political spheres leads only to weakness and mediocrity such as in the Federation. Enlightened self-interest through society and the greater good of ones corporation and the State is the true means to strength and success.

Gussarde en Welle wrote:
I think the reality of Caldari culture looks a little different outside of an office building or warship. .


I think it also looks different outside of the biased media reporting of the Federation and the ignorant assertions of its political leaders so that they can build their Hawkish credentials for the next election season.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-28 00:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gussarde en Welle
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

I think it also looks different outside of the biased media reporting of the Federation and the ignorant assertions of its political leaders so that they can build their Hawkish credentials for the next election season.


Well, I've said my peace, Veikitamo-haani. I'm beginning to see why the secession war was so brutal. It seems there is no ground for compromise between the two cultures.

It's really too bad. I was just saying on another thread that I have come to really like Caldari noodles and fish products. And you guys make good electronics components.
Not a big fan of Caldari music, though.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-10-28 06:58:11 UTC
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Well, I've said my peace, Veikitamo-haani. I'm beginning to see why the secession war was so brutal. It seems there is no ground for compromise between the two cultures.

It's really too bad. I was just saying on the another thread that I have come to really like Caldari noodles and fish products. And you guys make good electronics components. Not a big fan of Caldari music, though.


The points of compromise between State and Federation do not, and have never, centered on differences of cultural values but on the conflicts of interests created primarily by the Caldari Prime Question and the economic order between State and Federation - nothing more.

Just because I may be a member of the Caldari Providence Directorate and a Provist does not make me unable to see reason or to be able to effectively judge what may be in the best interests of the State and its people. I do not hate the Gallente as a race of people or as individuals, I do however despise the Federation and its government for the hypocrisy in speaking of defending freedom and liberty for its elites whilst creating a system of colonial control and violence that denies freedoms to the majority of its own citizens.

Every Caldari should remember our history and recognize that the Federal citizens who today wallow in the economic and political servitude that is the Federation are just the same as we were two centuries ago and that they should not be the victims of our spite, but rather our mercy and compassion as we seek to liberate them from Federal injustice through acts of righteous violence against their oppressors in Villore.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-10-29 21:05:05 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

Every Caldari should remember our history and recognize that the Federal citizens who today wallow in the economic and political servitude that is the Federation are just the same as we were two centuries ago and that they should not be the victims of our spite, but rather our mercy and compassion as we seek to liberate them from Federal injustice through acts of righteous violence against their oppressors in Villore.


Just be sure that your acts of "mercy and compassion" don't involve attacks on civilian installations.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-10-29 22:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Gussarde en Welle wrote:
Just be sure that your acts of "mercy and compassion" don't involve attacks on civilian installations.


Of course, I am more than able to make the distinction between say, a free Intaki citizen, and the lapdogs and cronies of the Villore Government.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#60 - 2012-11-04 05:31:01 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
"Oh, I want to be a painter!"
"The Corporation has no need for painters, we need workers in the shipyards"
"But I like painting..."


Then join the Amarr and do both. As you may have noticed, we take great pride in the beauty of our ships. Our shipyards are one of many wonderful examples of how we blend art & technology into a singular idea.