EVE General Discussion

This thread will make a legitimate attempt to engage in logical discussion about changes that could be made to the system as it is to make it less lopsided with regard to risk. A lack of risk is clearly conducive to both runaway deflation (a function of Value = Demand / Supply) and to botting, due to the ease of operation.

It is my hope that this discussion will be conducted in good faith by all participants. Having said that, here are specific changes I would propose to make for more balanced gameplay in High-security space:

• Allow smartbombs to be activated in the vicinity of anchored containers, both secure and unsecure. These containers' purpose was to hold additional ores and ices, allowing miners to increase their efficiency by remaining in the belts for a considerably longer time, given the size of cargo holds on the old barges and exhumers. Their volume is no longer conducive to anything approaching efficiency, and their ancillary presence is clearly laid out in the form of a giant smartbomb shield around high-security ice fields. That is broken.


• Increase the yield of the Hulk by adding additional grid and cpu and an extra hardpoint to make it a more attractive option for "ninja miners." This may encourage miners to try ninja mining in a way that makes sense, thus presenting themselves as potential targets, something needed drastically to combat botting and deflation.


• Introduce the chance for much more difficult NPC spawns to appear anywhere materials can be harvested, and with greater frequency. The current "threats" to mining successfully are grossly inadequate to the task, given the EHP of the new exhumers and barges.


• Make ice depletable in the same way that ores are. This will force adaptation where none has ever occurred, potentially even driving conflicts and increasing demand.


• Develop a system that legitimizes miner vs. miner conflicts over resources, such as the Ally system.

Right now the only competition between miners seems to be in jockeying for the best position to be immune from smartbombs and the waiting game of trying to decide when, precisely to unload your ore. In order for high-sec activities to have value, there needs to be high demand for them with moderate supply. Runaway supply will always break the basic equation of economic theory.

I would ask that discussion in this thread be kept to informed and intelligent posts of fact or question, rather than character attacks and mudslinging based on personal playstyle.

As always, thank you for your thoughtful participation.

Reserved for when I'm not butt-frustrated with CCP.

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That is one of the core problems of the game & things will only get worse if more people aren't encouraged out of highsec.

And I am sure that the three people left playing will have a super time.

You're not encouraging people to move anywhere else than another game, bravo.

The core problem of why so many people are not encouraged moving to null is Null sec players themselves and their so pitiful opinion of high sec and players living there, their often pitiful actions and above all their pitiful posting about it.

Lived there and I've enjoyed it, moved to low and I enjoyed it, moved to null and I'm loving it. But this is only because I was curious enough to try it out by my self, never because null sec dudes posting and acting in high sec felt like so interesting or superior or whatever.
You clearly spit on each and every high sec player or their activity when you are the biggest exploiters of each and every single fail/bad implemented/advantage of high sec with your alt corporations and alts. (yours means all null sec)
Then you guys beg CCP to make it so players join null sec or low sec....what a nice joke, I'm still laughing, ho dear this is hilarious...

On smartbombs. I thought you could. GSC's and cans just caused lag for you apparently. I've never used or even considered using GSC/cans as a shield. And I mined 3 Hulks and Orca for a long time. Not an issue imho.

In Ninja mining with a Hulk. Give me a "de-scrammer" as an option and it might just work. Failing that, Hulk dead whatever you do. Use won't increase. I tried it once or twice and I suffered from andrenaline withdrawal for 10 minutes every time even a pixel twinked.

On increased NPC in belts, I agree. I suggested exploding roids the other day as well, to errr.... educate miners about tank.

On ice - meh. Bots can re-target. AFK can re-target. A reduction in ice maybe to make it more finite?

On the last, and this has been mentioned before many times, if you made ore belts smaller, more finite etc. all of the things "anti-miners" want come true. Markets will lift, greater conflict etc.

But it could also be detrimental to the game. Playstyle is what playstyle is. Penalising any playstyle without considering the impacts on the players within that playstyle is a Pandoras Box. The oft used, cold, harsh universe, this is eve, deal with it ad infinitum does not bear out the reality that his $15 is worth exactly the same as your $15.

We serve a greater master - placate him - then change away.

Remember loss of your ship or your life is not the only risk which exists. Failed investment is currently the most important risk in highsec, and it can be extended to any activity simply by giving that activity a (non-trivial) cost.

CCP will not, under any circumstances do anything that makes highsec more dangerous for carebears. It just won't happen regardless of how many well-meaning threads people make.

Any why should they? If a given player does not like high, they can fly elsewhere. No one is forcing you to live in high sec and deal with the players there. You may say "But low sec is undesirable due to reasons xxx and yyy". Well if high sec was turned into low sec, it would gain those exact same problems!