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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#801 - 2012-10-08 06:30:59 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

Darth, join a highsec mining corp and gank ém from within. Absolutely FREE kills. 100% profit - NO lost ship. Few alts. Keep on it. You'll make a bloody fortune.

Now MUTLIPLY that by 10,000, 20,000 - whatever.

THAT'S adapting.


(ofc, not wanting to be roflstomped on this - I've been away - I'm assuming corp kills still legal?)


AWOX only works once and is very time consuming. Rather than blowing a spy like that on a hulk its much better to get access to the corp hangers/wallet and clean them out.
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#802 - 2012-10-08 06:33:02 UTC
The trouble with this whining that I have is, you can kill Mackinaw's cheap. You just can't do it solo or with your alt. You need a small group. 8 or 10 T1 Desi will take down a macki and for next to no ISK. You **** and moan about miners and all you want is to emulate them at a different task.

EVE is what EVE has always been. Gank beat Tank. Always has, still does. Ganking miners is now true to forum. You need to actually GANK them though.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#803 - 2012-10-08 06:33:33 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

I like how you conveniently get to tell people what not to bring up that you don't like and cannot really formulate an argument against.

You're doing well.

Darth, join a highsec mining corp and gank ém from within. Absolutely FREE kills. 100% profit - NO lost ship. Few alts. Keep on it. You'll make a bloody fortune.

Now MUTLIPLY that by 10,000, 20,000 - whatever.

THAT'S adapting.


(ofc, not wanting to be roflstomped on this - I've been away - I'm assuming corp kills still legal?)

The problem is that this method is going to be the last viable method to kill the bears very shortly. I'll forgive you for thinking that we aren't aware of its existence, but are you really that much of an idiot to think that CCP won't focus their Lidless Eye on it when the bears make it the next big thing to whine about?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#804 - 2012-10-08 06:34:01 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Wait are people SERIOUSLY complaining that its too hard to gank profitably in EVE? Are you... are you even playing the same GAME as me? What is wrong with you idiots that you cannot figure out how to gank and make money, it is literally the simplest thing to do in this game.


So tell us how to gank a mack and make a profit.

Also, I'll post our reason for complaining again. Hopefully you will read it this time and know why people are not happy.


The changes mean that it is not possible to profitably gank macks so it is impossible to adapt. It also means that the skiff is rendered useless and the hulk shunned due to its tank making it profitable to gank if no tank is fitted. The macks invulnerability also means that mining bots are thriving which has had a disasterous impact on ice prices and has stalled mineral price growth as the markets get flooded with minerals. The sudden arrival of hundreds of bots has also forced up the price of plex which is hurting everyone who uses them. The barge update has also failed in its main goal of getting all of the barges roles to play.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#805 - 2012-10-08 06:34:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Darth, join a highsec mining corp and gank ém from within. Absolutely FREE kills. 100% profit - NO lost ship. Few alts. Keep on it. You'll make a bloody fortune.

Now MUTLIPLY that by 10,000, 20,000 - whatever.

THAT'S adapting.


(ofc, not wanting to be roflstomped on this - I've been away - I'm assuming corp kills still legal?)


AWOX only works once and is very time consuming. Rather than blowing a spy like that on a hulk its much better to get access to the corp hangers/wallet and clean them out.


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#806 - 2012-10-08 06:35:58 UTC
Oggat wrote:
The trouble with this whining that I have is, you can kill Mackinaw's cheap. You just can't do it solo or with your alt. You need a small group. 8 or 10 T1 Desi will take down a macki and for next to no ISK. You **** and moan about miners and all you want is to emulate them at a different task.

EVE is what EVE has always been. Gank beat Tank. Always has, still does. Ganking miners is now true to forum. You need to actually GANK them though.


If theres no isk to be made from it then people won't do it. This is why 99.9% of ships in highsec are left alone.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#807 - 2012-10-08 06:37:22 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Darth, join a highsec mining corp and gank ém from within. Absolutely FREE kills. 100% profit - NO lost ship. Few alts. Keep on it. You'll make a bloody fortune.

Now MUTLIPLY that by 10,000, 20,000 - whatever.

THAT'S adapting.


(ofc, not wanting to be roflstomped on this - I've been away - I'm assuming corp kills still legal?)


AWOX only works once and is very time consuming. Rather than blowing a spy like that on a hulk its much better to get access to the corp hangers/wallet and clean them out.


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#808 - 2012-10-08 06:37:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Wait are people SERIOUSLY complaining that its too hard to gank profitably in EVE? Are you... are you even playing the same GAME as me? What is wrong with you idiots that you cannot figure out how to gank and make money, it is literally the simplest thing to do in this game.


So tell us how to gank a mack and make a profit.

Also, I'll post our reason for complaining again. Hopefully you will read it this time and know why people are not happy.


The changes mean that it is not possible to profitably gank macks so it is impossible to adapt. It also means that the skiff is rendered useless and the hulk shunned due to its tank making it profitable to gank if no tank is fitted. The macks invulnerability also means that mining bots are thriving which has had a disasterous impact on ice prices and has stalled mineral price growth as the markets get flooded with minerals. The sudden arrival of hundreds of bots has also forced up the price of plex which is hurting everyone who uses them. The barge update has also failed in its main goal of getting all of the barges roles to play.



Wait so its now impossible to gank ONE shiptype without making a profit and you think this is cause for a 40+ page thread? If you want to gank Macks do it and swallow the loss, have an alt in null farming complexes and you can make back a ship loss in an hour or two. I think what other people mean by "adapt" is "find a different target", it is still stupidly easy to find valuable targets to gank in highsec with little to no effort (hint - a cargo scanning alt takes less than 12 hours to train).

Darth Gustav wrote:
The Slayer wrote:

You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.


If you are in their corp with them and don't get shot by Concord you would be surprised what you can do with one thrasher. Or you could *gasp* team up with 2 or 3 buddies and do it that way :)
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#809 - 2012-10-08 06:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
Derp double post
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#810 - 2012-10-08 06:39:04 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#811 - 2012-10-08 06:40:26 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


Wait so its now impossible to gank ONE shiptype without making a profit and you think this is cause for a 40+ page thread? If you want to gank Macks do it and swallow the loss, have an alt in null farming complexes and you can make back a ship loss in an hour or two. I think what other people mean by "adapt" is "find a different target", it is still stupidly easy to find valuable targets to gank in highsec with little to no effort (hint - a cargo scanning alt takes less than 12 hours to train).



Read the rest of it.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#812 - 2012-10-08 06:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it? I don't see why every single aspect in the game HAS to make you a profit or else its broken.

baltec1 wrote:

Read the rest of it.


Mining bots were a massive problem before the buffs, they remain a massive problem now. You are in the CFC don't you try and pretend for a SECOND that hulkageddon was ANYTHING to do with removing bots from EVE, you and I both know that is bullshit propaganda.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#813 - 2012-10-08 06:41:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?

And talk them into the protection scam.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#814 - 2012-10-08 06:42:38 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it? I don't see why every single aspect in the game HAS to make you a profit or else its broken.

It doesn't have to. But the potential should be there.

Now, it's gone.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#815 - 2012-10-08 06:44:42 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Do you know what products the guy you're posting at even sells?

If you did you'd understand the "for profit" jest. A lot of things require you to think critically.

What metric do you think the 10M isk per Hulk actually represents?

Think about it hard. I'll give you a hint: It's one of the Hulk's constituent components. Roll


Are you saying that alliance with 360 Tech moons can't offer more than 10M/exhumer?

That's 360 trillion a month.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#816 - 2012-10-08 06:45:03 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it? I don't see why every single aspect in the game HAS to make you a profit or else its broken.

It doesn't have to. But the potential should be there.

Now, it's gone.


I'm fairly sure you can still manage to figure out a way to make a profit from ganking Macks, for example one post above yours mentioned the protection scheme. Gank the Mack, eat the loss, then con the mark into giving you money for protection. Easy mode.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#817 - 2012-10-08 06:45:25 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it?


We do.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#818 - 2012-10-08 06:45:54 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Do you know what products the guy you're posting at even sells?

If you did you'd understand the "for profit" jest. A lot of things require you to think critically.

What metric do you think the 10M isk per Hulk actually represents?

Think about it hard. I'll give you a hint: It's one of the Hulk's constituent components. Roll


Are you saying that alliance with 360 Tech moons can't offer more than 10M/exhumer?

That's 360 trillion a month.

There has to be a demand for it.

Value = Demand / Supply.

Think about it.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#819 - 2012-10-08 06:46:30 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


I'm fairly sure you can still manage to figure out a way to make a profit from ganking Macks, for example one post above yours mentioned the protection scheme. Gank the Mack, eat the loss, then con the mark into giving you money for protection. Easy mode.


That one stopped working 8 months ago.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#820 - 2012-10-08 06:48:17 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
There has to be a demand for it.

Value = Demand / Supply.

Think about it.


The problem is that they use maybe 1 trillion for this.

Where those other 359 trillion go?